Are Northern Europeans Barbarians?

[Anglojew]

I have a theory that CIVILISATION was destroyed by Barbarians who've only replicated it in part and not entirely. If we look at the ancient world CIVILISATION (not counting China or the Indus Valley) was centred around the eastern mediterrean for thousands of years. People within this paradigm eg the Roman and Persian Empires and those preceding them (Egypt, Assyria, Greece) had a word for Germans and Slavs; Barbarians.

It is therefore irrefutable that Northern Europeans were Barbarians to the Greeks. My contention is that CIVILISATION was destroyed by a combination of Barbarians from the cold north (Germans, Slavs) and from the deserts (Arabs) and that except for our retention of Laws from CIVILISATION and technological developments our society had retained all the barbaric traits of these ice and desert Barbarians from the extremes eg warlike selfishness.

I think our current CIVILISATION is a pale immitatiom of the ancient worlds and the barbarians are destroying it anyway through their suicidal policies of multiculturalism and political correctness, cultural relativism and mass immigration of more desert barbarians all conveniently blamed on the Jews who are in fact the most outspoken representatives of the real CIVILISATION which is why they are constantly persecuted by both barbaric groups who we shall call Ice barbarians and desert barbarians.

The barbarians unstable nature will lead to their ultimate downfall. I hope that the Ancient values Jews and some others have preserved and tried to teach to the barbarians will lead to a new better less selfish CIVILISATION that is truly a commonwealth.

I'm still developing my theory so would like your input. The main contention is that societies with extreme conditions eg deserts or cold develop less tolerant civilizations due to less resources. I guess the spread or real CIVILISATION had spread because of improvements in Europes weather after the last ice age. Fertile places eg the ancient eastern mediterrean developed more utopian societies which were destroyed by warlike barbarians from the north and south.

Please discuss.

[finþaų]

Civilization arose around the East Mediterranean/Fertile Crescent due to the suitable conditions, which allowed for irrigation and thus large-scale agriculture. Environmental factors made the initiation of civilization borderline impossible in temperate/sub-arctic regions.

I don't think North Europeans are genetically predisposed to antagonize the concept of civilization. Rome brought upon its own destruction; the constant "barbarian invasions" were merely symptoms of more fundamental issues pertaining to the integrity of the Roman state and nation.

[Leon_C]

The word 'barbarian' is simply a term that was used by Romans and Greeks to refer to anyone that was not a Roman or Greek. the true meaning of the word is simply one who is not Roman or Greek, It does not mean uncivilized.

[Libertas]

The new TV series "The Dark Ages" is laughable.
As if the Huns or Vandals created that skilled but rather gaudy art.
It was created by their subject peoples working to produce for their crude and vulgar Hunnic and Germanic masters.

[Virtuous]

Yeah, screw all the great architecture of ancient Rome and Greece, all the advancements made in technology, the politics, the philosophers. Nordic people were always superior to South Europeans since the days of their rituals round the fire.

[Anusiya]

The only ones who managed to prosper well and become the pinnacle of modern civilization were the Saxons, who followed the example of the Greeks.

To Greeks barbarians were the Persians because of this:



It's pronounced: "Farvahar"

Imagine the scene when they attempted to pronounce it!

[Anglojew]

The only ones who managed to prosper well and become the pinnacle of modern civilization were the Saxons, who followed the example of the Greeks.

To Greeks barbarians were the Persians because of this:



It's pronounced: "Farvahar"

Imagine the scene when they attempted to pronounce it!

Yes, it could be argued Saxons and their Viking cousins are the only real CIVILISATION in the last 1000 years having produced he English, Norman, German, Russian, Italian (Lombard), French (Frank), Spanish (Visigoth) cultures but based upon an earlier classical model.

Does this mean that the northern barbarians are the heirs to Greece and Rome and the real fight is between them and desert imperialism eg Islam?

[Corvus]

Anglojew why are you consistently trying to bash Northern Europeans
Everyone envies them and wishes to be Northern because they are the most capable humans. Every statistc proves that.

[Anusiya]

Does this mean that the northern barbarians are the heirs to Greece and Rome and the real fight is between them and desert imperialism eg Islam?

No and no. All peoples from the far East to Americas have experienced more or less massive wars, power struggles and fluctuations that no Germanic has ever experienced enough to be able to "digest" it well. I somehow believe it's still an unsolved DNA thing the northern people have. Still...

Desert imperialism? No, I wouldn't call thin and undernourished people living in the deserts imperialists. They simply refuse to change, and that's it. There's more toxin in red meat btw.

[Atlantic Islander]

Everyone envies them and wishes to be Northern

That's untrue.