Zeybek warriors and their eagle dance

[Cannabis Sativa]

Truth hurts huh sweetie?

[Absinthe]

Truth hurts huh sweetie?

Nagging hurts.

[TheMagnificent]

Seymens welcoming Atatürk to Ankara
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[Onur]

Nagging hurts.

Well, if you Greeks wouldn't try to monopolize these cultural elements by absurdly claiming like "these are ancient hellenic dances", then neither me nor any Turkish guy would say anything to you. If you are getting hurt about this, it`s because of you Greeks again.


Here is a Greek band playing the famous Zeybek song "Izmir`in kavakları", composed around 1890s, in the name of a famous Zeybek rebel named "Çakırcalı Mehmet efe". Greeks calls the song as "Tsakitzis" as Çakırcalı in Turkish;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87a...%B1_Mehmet_Efe

[Queen B]

Truth hurts huh sweetie?

Its stupidity that hurts, actually.
Sirtaki is a faster version of Hasapiko. Hasapiko was brought by the Greeks of Constantinopole, and it has its roots in Byzantine empire.

Even Zeimpekikos isn't a turkish dance. Its even more ancient than Hasapiko/Sirtaki, and it dates back to antiquity. (Zeu - Zeus, Mpekos - bread )

It was also called as the dance of the eagle, due the similarity to Eagle's movemnts. (Eagle - the holy bird of Zeus )

But nice try, anyway

[Su]

RIP Ataturk ve Zeybek:

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[Onur]

Absinth, you sent me a rep. comment like "blahblah..." and Dandelion here immediately responded here. Read this one to see the real blablabla;

Sirtaki is a faster version of Hasapiko. Hasapiko was brought by the Greeks of Constantinopole, and it has its roots in Byzantine empire.

Even Zeimpekikos isn't a turkish dance. Its even more ancient than Hasapiko/Sirtaki, and it dates back to antiquity. (Zeu - Zeus, Mpekos - bread )

It was also called as the dance of the eagle, due the similarity to Eagle's movemnts. (Eagle - the holy bird of Zeus )

Now Absinth, you see what i meant? She connected the Zeybek dance with Zeus and his holy bird and Sirtaki with Byzantine era

But ofc no need to ask her like if these dances comes from Zeus, then why all the terminology she mentioned is pure Turkish like "Hasapiko, Kasap havası, zeybek". Now i wonder if Zeus was speaking Turkish too? Maybe Zeus was playing davul, zurna and dancing Tsiftetelli with Aphrodite too? Is that so Absinth?

[Absinthe]

Well I've given you my opinion and here it is once more:

Since Greeks and Turks have had a very long period of cultural interaction as well as a 400 year period of living "under the same roof" so to speak, a lot of cultural elements are a result of the interaction of the two and one cannot say today whether they are "Greek" or "Turkish" are they are, imo, both and neither at the same time.

I have no special interest myself in discovering teh tr00 origins of Zeybek/iko. But I am very entertained as to how you keep nagging, frequently unprovoked, about Greeks, in every single thread there is, like a bitter old lady. You need more fun in your life, me thinks.

[Hayalet]

To be fair, the word, zeybek, has an unclear etymology. But "Zeus bread" seems a bit forced to me as well. :icon_cheesygrin:

[Queen B]

Now Absinth, you see what i meant? She connected the Zeybek dance with Zeus and his holy bird and Sirtaki with Byzantine era

But ofc no need to ask her like if these dances comes from Zeus, then why all the terminology she mentioned is pure Turkish like "Hasapiko, Kasap havası, zeybek". Now i wonder if Zeus was speaking Turkish too? Maybe Zeus was playing davul, zurna and dancing Tsiftetelli with Aphrodite too? Is that so Absinth?

Onur, YOU started this thread, and YOU first mentioned Greeks, to discard anything related to Greeks.
Now you cry out loud because I responded to your sayings? You irrelevantly connected zeybekiko with Sirtaki, when in fact is connected with Hasapiko.

So, the etymology is what it makes it Turkish or Greek? So, because of ''Zeybek'' and ''Hasap'' they must be Turkish right?

According to this, surtaki is Greek, because its a Greek word...
Then Hasapiko, which was also called as makelarikkos (makelaris -> Butcher) ,dating back in Byzantine era, is also Greek then

Your words


Enjoy ''your dances''