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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    I don't know about Obama, but McCain certainly wasn't born in the U.S. - he was born in Panama. Yet they somehow made an exception for him.



    Also, I fail to see how George Washington and his immediate few successors could possibly have been natural-born U.S. citizens - so any law they signed should in theory be declared invalid.
    McCain was born on a US military base thus on American soil. George Washington and others made an exception for themselves. I believe they explicitly stated this before but you as an unsurprising ignoramus... of course you are going to come up with a stupid comment in 3... 2... 1...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
    McCain was born on a US military base thus on American soil. George Washington and others made an exception for themselves. I believe they explicitly stated this before but you as an unsurprising ignoramus... of course you are going to come up with a stupid comment in 3... 2... 1...
    In what way is an American base American soil? This was a deliberate flouting of the constitution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    In what way is an American base American soil? This was a deliberate flouting of the constitution.
    Looks like I was right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
    Looks like I was right.
    Yes, that's exactly what they said. But in doing so they deliberately flouted the constitution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    Yes, that's exactly what they said. But in doing so they deliberately flouted the constitution.
    No they didn't, it's just like being born on an US navy ship, you still acquire US citizenship and is considered a natural-born citizen because the US navy ship is considered American soil just like US military bases all over the world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
    No they didn't, it's just like being born on an US navy ship, you still acquire US citizenship and is considered a natural-born citizen because the US navy ship is considered American soil just like US military bases all over the world.
    They are not part of the United States and therefore are excluded by the constitution. Which is ridiculous in my opinion - one of the many perils of having a written constitution - but it's there, and they blatantly flouted it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The United States Constitution
    No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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    Clarification: McCain is a citizen by birth, as are those born to US parents abroad. The founders were citizens at the time of the adoption of the US Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    I don't know about Obama, but McCain certainly wasn't born in the U.S. - he was born in Panama. Yet they somehow made an exception for him.
    Both of McCain's parents were U.S. citizens over the age of 21, legally able to transmit their American citizenship to their Panamanian born child. McCain fits the legal definition of 'natural-born'. The problem with obongo is that his American mother was only 18 when he was born. If he was born outside the Unted States to a father who was a British subject, then he would not have been a natural-born citizen.
    Also, I fail to see how George Washington and his immediate few successors could possibly have been natural-born U.S. citizens - so any law they signed should in theory be declared invalid.
    There was an exemption for those American citizens born prior to the adoption of the Constitution in 1789, if they were already citizens when the Constitution came into force.

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    I don't think* McClown fits the definition of "Natural-born" just because his parents were U.S. citizens.

    The reason he'd fit the bill of "Natural-born" is that he was born on a military base in the Canal Zone, which was technically U.S. soil. (In the sense that embassy grounds are the soil of whichever country's embassy it is and not the host country's.)













    Caveat: No one really knows what the clause about "natural-born" truly is supposed to mean in the Constitution, anyway.

    Caveat #2: This is much more significant than squabbling about B.H.Obama or Juan McClown, because of the 14th Amendment (giving citizenship to freed slaves), that appropriates the same language: "Anyone born on U.S. soil to parents subject to the jurisdiction thereof, is a U.S. citizen". There has been, lately, a very loose intepretation of that, allowing for the so-called "anchor-babies", ignoring the 'jurisdiction thereof' part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    In what way is an American base American soil? This was a deliberate flouting of the constitution.
    Hey, boss, how 'bout capitalizing "Constitution"?

    And, why don't you specify "U.S. base" and "U.S. soil"? Of course Panama is 'American' soil.

    We can keep playing these stupid "gotcha" games if you'd like. Your turn, boss. Second thought, I'd rather not.
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