Haplogroup N: Originally Mongoloid or Caucasoid?

[SKYNET]

How is that possible, considering the fact that N is around 15,000 to 25,000 years old?

Okay.

[finþaų]

Okay.

What is your point?

[Artek]

Well. Going that far, proto N1c guy could look like that

Reconstruction:


Skull:

Neither this is a Europid CM, nor a guy that we can call a typical Mongoloid bloke.

[SKYNET]

What is your point?

do you see that NO is closer to N? The Finnish have loads of haplogroup N, a haplogroup common in Asia. A some of the Finns are caucasoids because there live a big part of Swedes

[finþaų]

Well. Going that far, proto N1c guy could look like that

Neither this is a Europid CM, nor a guy that we can call a typical Mongoloid bloke.

Simply an archaic proto-morphology. The skull does not display anatomically modern "Caucasoid" nor "Mongoloid" features.

do you see that NO is closer to N? The Finnish have loads of haplogroup N, a haplogroup common in Asia. A some of the finns are caucasoids because there live a big part of Swedes

Again, what is your point? The oldest "Mongoloid" remains in Eurasia are approximately 5500-7000 years old, so how could a 15,000-25,000 year old Eurasian haplogroup have originated in a "Mongoloid" population?

Your comment on the racial nature of the Finns is incredibly misinformed, and I won't bother discussing it.

[Insuperable]

do you see that NO is closer to N? The Finnish have loads of haplogroup N, a haplogroup common in Asia. A some of the Finns are caucasoids because there live a big part of Swedes

Are you trying to say that Finns are Syberians because of large N frequencies and that Western and Eastern Europeans are Pakistanis because of large R frequencies?

I do not know why people are so obsessed about N haplogroup and Finns.

[Sky earth]

Well. Going that far, proto N1c guy could look like that

Neither this is a Europid CM, nor a guy that we can call a typical Mongoloid bloke.

He looks Eurasian. If we consider the fact that the Haplogroups N and O have the same origins and are descendants of the Haplogroup NO, then the first N carriers would have been Mongoloid. My theory is that the first N carriers were Mongoloid and cold adapted, as they went further west they didn't need epichantic folds, because the climate is milder in Western Russia than in Siberia, so the Eyes became rounder.

[finþaų]

Are you trying to say that Finns are Syberians because of large N frequencies and that Western and Eastern Europeans are Pakistanis because of large R frequencies?

I do not know why people are so obsessed about N haplogroup and Finns.

West Europeans are naturally tribesmen from Cameroon.

[Insuperable]

Japanese have a lot of D and Albanians have E and their haplogroups descend from haplogroup DE.

Albanians are Japanese and Ethiopian mix.
Finns are Syberians
Large number of Western and Eastern Europeans are Pakistanis.

[archangel]

it predates races