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    Grand-Kurultáj






    Website: http://kurultaj.hu/english/
    Pictures: http://www.facebook.com/kurultaj/photos_stream

    In the minds of Hungarians the unwritten tradition of their Asian origin is still there. But since the middle of the 19th century it has been a bone of contention among the academic standpoints. In the last half of the 20th century (especially in the communist era) the „Finno-Ugrian’’ theory of Hungarian origin was forced over against all cons. The archaeological, linguistic, ethnographic and anthropologic researches of the Hungarian origin show something else. Nowadays, most of the researchers (especially the archaeologists and the anthropologists) accept that the Hungarian anthropological character and culture shows more similarity with the Middle-Asian Turk people keeping the Iranian and Scythian tradition.

    The most important event in Hungarian history is „Honfoglalás”, the occupation of homeland (the conquest of the Carpathian Basin in the 10th century.). Among the equestrian-nomadic cultures Hungarians have the most western country, which was founded in the heart of Europe and stands for more than one thousand years. Nowadays Hungary is an integrated nation (without tribal distribution). But most of our history was determined by the tribal system based on the big families (as the most equestrian nomadic commons). The union of the tribes, the Blood-contract is one of the bedrocks of the national tradition. Lord Árpád, the leader of the Occupation of homeland was the forefather of the Hungarian royal dynasty, which was reigning for centuries. He was one of the most important persons in Hungarian history. He represents the power and the unity of the nation! The most glorious chapters of Hungarian history were written during his reign and that of his descendants.


    Lord Árpád

    The search for Hungarians left behind in the East started in the age of the Occupation of homeland, and the two groups were able to keep in touch with each other for a long time. Many Hungarians (scientist as well as simple people) committed themselves to find our relatives left behind in he East.

    Kurultáj as an event is based on one of the scientific expeditions of the Hungarian anthropologist and human biologist András Zsolt Bíró (anthropological researcher of the Hungarian Museum of Natural Sciences) in Kazakhstan. The data and DNA samples from the expedition of 2006 certified (Y- chromosome test) the genetic similarity (beyond the similarity of their names) between the Madjar tribe of Kazakhstan and the „magyarok” (Hungarians) in the Carpathian basin. The results of the research were published by the American Journal of Physical Antropology, one of the most prestigious scientific bulletins of the world. The study made a big international sensation and took many tributes to the research group. In 2007 December, András Zsolt Bíró was awarded in person by Yermukhamet Yertisbayev, the cultural minister of Kazakhstan, and become an honorary councillor of the Madjar tribe.



    The results of the research attracted attention to the importance of cousinship in Kazakhstan and other countries of Middle-Asia.

    The first Madjar-Magyar Kurultáj (tribal convention) had been organised in Kazakhstan in 2007. A Hungarian delegation led by András Zsolt Bíró was also present.

    Arriving home they decided to organize a tribal convention – Kurultáj in Hungary in 2008. They invited the Madjar tribe members of Kazakistan as special guests.
    The event was in August 2008.

    A common interest was raised that no one has seen before. More than eighty convention keeper groups and cultural groups worked together in perfect unison.
    More than one hundred yurts were built.

    Many cultural and military convention keeper programs were realized with thousands of warriors, mounted archers, horsemen.

    This program was visited by more than 90 000 persons. At the fire of the Kurultáj the deputies decided to organise a big Kurultáj in 2010 for all the bow drawer nations.

    Kurultáj means unity. The Hungarian convention keepers of the Carpathian basin, the Madjar tribe of Kazakistan and the deputies of the brotherly nations will celebrate together and remember the big ancestors with honour. The culture of Hungarians rooted in the culture of equestrian nomadic commons on steppes (like the culture of Scythians, Huns, Avars), and connected to the conventions of the big nations in Middle- and Inner–Asia by that.

    Kurultáj lifts up and reunites our nations by the right of our forefathers, sets an example from patriotism and lights the brotherly affection’s fire up again in 150 million souls from the Carpathian basin to Siberia.

    The Grand-Kurultáj continued with the spirit of the first Kurultáj in 2007 and the second in 2008. Enhanced the relationship between the brotherly nations from Middle- and Inner–Asia, Anatolia and the Caucasus Mountains. The parties saluted to the big and revered forefathers living in the tradition and in the minds of Hungarians and the brotherly nations as Atilla, Baján kagán, Madjar baba, Karcig batir.

    All genetically and/or culturally relative invited hun-turk minded nations accepted the invitation for the celebrate. They introduced themselves with high qualified diplomatic and scientific representatives and folk music and dance performances. The representatives of hun-turk minden gathered nations signed a historical declaration in which they conceded brothers each-other. After this event how strong our hands take one another – it depends on us: how can we, more than one hundred million people fill the brothership with living spirit. The original and complete declaration:
    “From the order of the Sky: kazak, kirgiz, ozbek, turk, azeri, uygur, bashkir, sakha (yakut), bolgar, magyar, madyar, tatar, turkmen, mongol, chuvash, gagauz, japan are hun brothers.”
    …and the signs from all nations…

    This celebration commemorated the historically analysed and archeologically established historical events. A great yurt was built as the Tent of Ancestors, in which you could see and salute the remains of a horse-nomadic hungarian warrior. He was the firstly known warrior from the age of conquest of homeland with a trepaned skull.



    An authentic face reconstruction of this skull made, and a picture showing how could this warrior looks like was painted by this. Am original “in situ” man and horse burial site with gold ornaments, weapons from this age can be seen. This memorial yurt was built by the specialists of four museums. The exhibition was visited by more than ten thousand visitors since the three days!

    The best of Hungarian tradition keepers remembered for their ancestors with honour. They made more surprises for the Kurultaj.
    Shamanic drum.

    For this event was made and was used at the sacred fire the biggest shamanic drum of the world. Diameter is 188 cms. A leather good maker name Sandor Balogh and his team made this drum especially for the Kurultaj. It was made from Siberian birch tree and from a whole skin of a cow.

    Far distance archery

    The biggest shot was recorded in 1226 in Sartaul, Tadjikistan. Shot by a warrior named Esunkhei. It was 502,5 meters (335 alds). In the spring of 2010, an arrow of the Jozsef Monus and Csaba Grozer flew to 508,74 meters and breaked the middle-age record.
    Jozsef Monus promised to try to break his new record on the Kurultaj – and he did it! His arrow hit the ground at 603 meters!

    Armour reconstruction

    The huns had their way of armour making. Since the Scythians used the spangled armour, huns were developed a laminated type. Zsolt Kelemen and his team investigated the making and using methods of this armour. Supported by our foundation, they reconstructed an armour similar to the white huns settled in the Carpathian basin as Avars. During the reconstruction they had experimented the lost technology in many times. When they tested the finished armour, they shocked: all builded surfaces standed against the arrows. Even the modern firearms’ bullets were unable to go through of it!
    The Kurultaj is the greatest celebration and show of the old hungarian, hunnic and turk and even the horse nomadic eastern steppe cultures in every two years.
    Since 2010 one of the biggest tradition keeping events of the world. More than 3000 tradition keepers, hundreds of horseback archers participated on the Kurultaj in 2010. 135 yurts were set up.
    There was 42 military tradition keeper shows and programs, nomadic horse and archer contests and musical concerts during the three days. More than 140 thousand in the main day and at about 220 thousand on the whole event visited.

    The ceremonials were celebrated by the conventions of the ancient hungarian religion Tengri grown from the shamanic conviction.

    The hungarians and every biggest hun or turk minded nation joined to the celebration.











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    In the last half of the 20th century (especially in the communist era) the „Finno-Ugrian’’ theory of Hungarian origin was forced over against all cons.
    Is there any notable academic rebuttal of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altay View Post
    Is there any notable academic rebuttal of it?
    There are so many...

    There was two camps; the ones who supported Finnic theory and their opponents who supported traditional theory of Turkic/Altaic roots.

    Read this article about the history of Ugric-Turkic battle;
    http://eap.ee/public/va_lu/l37-2-1.pdf


    The linguist who first created the separate Finno-Hungarian group in late 19th century was a German who couldn't even properly speak neither of these languages. You can read it from the article above.

    Imho, the so-called Finnic-Hungarian theory was a result of some political factors back in late 19th and early 20th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altay View Post
    Is there any notable academic rebuttal of it?
    Plenty, but the vast majority of such studies are unfortunately only in Hungarian, or not even found on the Internet. We clearly are lagging behind in this regard. All I could dig up in due haste was this discussion, which deals with the same question.

    Another factor to consider here is politics. The implications of the acceptance of the Turanic idea would entail the cessation of servility towards the EU, a genuine eastward opening, as well as an ethno-nationalistic awakening, neither of which serve the interests of the current, oppressive democratic regime and by extension, its academic mameluks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yabgu View Post
    There is no ethnicity called "Anatolian", and no such thing as "Anatolian Greek genes" or "Armenoid genes".. It is a political rhetoric to cause identity erosion.. Eastern Huns are considered to be the ancestors of modern day Turks and they were a hybrid of Asiatic and Caucasian, but more dominantly Caucasian.. Hun was not an ethnicity itself, but a large tribal confederative structure.. That is why Turks already had a rich genetic pool before the full conquest of Anatolia region..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow Cross View Post
    Whatta magnificent picture this is!

    Also, thanks for the link above. I found some more great pictures with Turkish participants to the kurultaj;






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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    Imho, the so-called Finnic-Hungarian theory was a result of some political factors back in late 19th and early 20th century.
    A Habsburg attempt to make this rebellious nation less unruly through sentiments of past glory. Medieval texts and folk lore are both ripe with Hunnic and Scythian references regarding our ancient past and the name Attila/Etele is one of our oldest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow Cross View Post
    A Habsburg attempt to make this rebellious nation less unruly through sentiments of past glory.
    Yes, thats true. This was a part of centuries old Hapsburg plan to completely subjugate Hungarians and assimilate them into German society.

    There are several 17-18-19th century memorial houses in Turkey, where previously the Hungarian national resistance leaders lived in. They have been persecuted by the Hapsburgs and seek refuge in Ottoman Turkey all the time, then ask for help from Ottoman empire.
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