Capitalism or Socialism?

[Herr Abubu]

Capitalism = private ownership of the means of production

Socialism = public ownership of the means of production

Your position = ??? ownership of the means of production

Who are these private owners of the means of production?

[NordicMan]

A milder version of National Socialism.

[Herr Abubu]

Most people really don't understand economics at all, especially those who've studied it. Most of it consists in arbitrary theoretical constructs and nonsense statistics, what I call "nominalist economics". Most people who see socialism and capitalism as the the Manichean dualities of economics are ignorant and only know how to repeat pseudo-academic demagoguery.

One of the reasons is that capitalism is never has been and never will be a decentralized economic system. It has always been defined by oligopolic controls, collusion, state intervention in favour of oligarchical interests, etc.

The state vs. capital dialectic is false exactly because capital owns the state. And today, instead of the centralized state-bureaucratic system of the socialist countries, the banks function as the nerve center of the economic system. That isn't a decentralized system.

"Libertarianism" has, since its inception in Britain, been a tool of Britain's 'weltanschauungskrieg'. Britain, being the economic superpower until recently, owning the sea lanes and the trade, exported this ideology, although it itself was highly protectionist. America, too, has throughout its history been protectionist. "Free trade for thee, protectionism for me." America usurped Britain's role in this and is essentially the continuation of the British Empire.

The economic superpowers that arose aside from Britain and America were all protectionist, too. Germany had a fantastical economic growth due to its adoption of the national economics idea of Friedrich List, while before it it had been in an economic swamp. Same goes for Japan (which is also extremely oligarchical). Russia also adopted Friedrich List's ideas, through the reforms of its financial minister, Sergey Witte, and Russia's economy expanded drastically because of it. Pyotr Stolypin adopted Witte's and List's ideas, too.

Free trade between nations only makes sense if they are economically equal. Otherwise trade will be advantageous between one part over the other.

[Lek]

Anarchism

[Iloko]

Socialism. Because of countries like Sweden.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Anarchism

Anarchocapitalism

[lei.talk]

[solarisregvm]

Muh Socialism doesn't work

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

[solarisregvm]

“The capitalist economic system with it exploitation of those who are economically weak, with its robbery of the workers labor power, with its unethical way of appraising human beings by the number of things and the amount of money the possess, instead of by their internal values and their achievements, must be replaced by a new and just economic system, in a won by German socialism.”
Gregor Strasser

“To the liberal capitalist and liberal Marxian ideal of modern mammoth factories producing vast quantities of goods, we should contra-pose the . . . ideal of a full and free life, so that it will be the task of a responsible government to create the economic and social conditions essential to the realization of such an ideal.”
Otto Strasser

“We are ‘socialists’ and not mere ‘social reformers’ and we do not hesitate to say it although the Marxians have so painful distorted the meaning of the former term.”
Gregor Strasser


“The Philosophy of the liberal epoch has been and still is materialism. Nothing typifies Marxism more plainly than the fact that it is tainted with alien views of socialism, that its program is shaped by the materialist philosophy which it shares with liberalism.”
Otto Strasser

" a people become a nation through Socialism "
Karl Paetel

[solarisregvm]

> healthy community everyone piches in
> Homogeneous
> No capitalist businesses
> All family run shops
> All family owned farms
> average person living to 100
> Scientists are shocked at how long and healthy everyone is

Gee it sure is a mystery why everyone is healthy