Capitalism or Socialism?

[Wyrda]

Perhaps we should phrase this another way: freedom or tyranny? Capitalism in the purest form entails complete economic freedom without coercion. Socialism, despite what some utopians might say, is necessitated on a large government and a command economy. If you have people with guns telling you that you can't voluntarily work for, or trade with other people then you don't have freedom at all.

The problem with America today is crony capitalism; the big corporations with money can lobby the government to regulate the economy to suit the big corporations to the detriment of everyone else. It boggles my mind why the left-wingers think the solution to this is to give the government even more power and control over the economy. Evidently you want to do the opposite and get rid of the unfair monopoly-creating regulations so everyone has a chance. Even the so-called socialistic Scandinavian countries have more economic freedom than America.

[catgeorge]

Both Judaic constructs and despise both.

One is based on interest rates and usury falling into disgrace. For example the billion dollar profits banks make then distribute to shareholders is vile and filthy.

Banks should only make money from investment returns and use smarts.

Socialism is marxism which embraces degeneracy/

Fuck them both.

[crazyladybutterfly]

socialism
i suffered 3 years of depression because of capitalism... fuck that shit

[Wyrda]

Both Judaic constructs and despise both.

One is based on interest rates and usury falling into disgrace. For example the billion dollar profits banks make then distribute to shareholders is vile and filthy.

Banks should only make money from investment returns and use smarts.

Socialism is marxism which embraces degeneracy/

Fuck them both.

Capitalism = private ownership of the means of production

Socialism = public ownership of the means of production

Your position = ??? ownership of the means of production

[N1019]

socialism
i suffered 3 years of depression because of capitalism... fuck that shit

lol... if Europe is ever to get itself out of the shit it is in, it needs a lot more free market capitalism and a lot less socialism/Marxism/big government/welfare and crony capitalism (corporate socialism) etc

Western democracies have become little more than socialist wealth redistribution systems. Politicians make promises, people vote based on their selfish personal interests, and to hell with the future of the country.

[catgeorge]

Capitalism = private ownership of the means of production

Socialism = public ownership of the means of production

Your position = ??? ownership of the means of production

Thats rather basic.

Capitalism = concentration of capital, employment and power = significant loss of political, democratic, and economic power for the vast majority of the global human population = breeding generations of stupid people

Socialism = centralised planning = equality erodes away at societal diversities = multiculturalism

Fuck them both.

[Desperado]

Thats rather basic.

Capitalism = concentration of capital, employment and power = significant loss of political, democratic, and economic power for the vast majority of the global human population = breeding generations of stupid people

Socialism = centralised planning = equality erodes away at societal diversities = multiculturalism

Fuck them both.

you haven't answered the question tho, what is your alternative?

[Wyrda]

Thats rather basic.

Capitalism = concentration of capital, employment and power = significant loss of political, democratic, and economic power for the vast majority of the global human population = breeding generations of stupid people

Socialism = centralised planning = equality erodes away at societal diversities = multiculturalism

Fuck them both.

I'm telling you the most basic and fundamental definitions. All these other things you've said are you own opinions and biases on stereotypical archetypes of each system. Capitalism vs Socialism is essentially a dichotomy of command vs market principles, so I'm wondering if you've developed some entirely new and unique system which doesn't use either or a mix of either, or if you do in fact believe in a system that uses a mix of both economic principles and your criticisms are misplaced.

[catgeorge]

you haven't answered the question tho, what is your alternative?

Freedom with strict governance.
Strictness

...and more strictness.

Education of sciences to take precendence over business studies at schools as business teaches pupils on how to be corrupt from a young age - where sciences do not

Total ban of unhealthy fast food

Full push and total freedom on scientific based economies i.e fuel cells in motor vehicles

Every child to learn farming from a young age as they will never go hungry and eventually discover where value of life is - in the soil

Bond markets to be banned

High technology to be pushed harder (scientific indoctrination from young age will assist this - currently it's all about business where vast majority of populace end up working in call centers in dead end jobs)

Make money harder to obtain than freely available to make populace to work harder and to get better.. instead of giving almost-free money making stupid people thinking they are good albeit they are average.

Current capitalism has created a population that is very average in line with communism. Modern capitalist societies are woefully inadequate intellectually, thereby making them vulnerable to the fashions and foibles of the age. obtaining grants and subsidies, are dependent upon how much the student in question has managed to publish; this holds true even if he's had nothing new or important to say. they provide unintelligible phraseology and a plethora of sugar-coated but essentially meaningless syntax that allows for the self-delusion of innovation and ground-breaking scholarship.

Elite art and literature to be valued higher than a corporate stock price

Above all accumulation of knowledge above moneyz$$$ my phoenecian loving jewboyz.

[Bosniensis]

Ottoman Feudalism was the best, altough in times where tech isn't that important rather food, family etc...

Maybe if something like that could be modernised would be a good thing.