Capitalism or Socialism?

[KirillMazur]

There is such an ideology - to make money.
There is an ideology to strive somewhere, to build something, to honor someone, and there is an ideology to make money.
Very convenient for those who want to manage everyone globally.
Therefore, a system is being built in which money is the main thing, which brazenly displaces all other ideologies as ineffective for making money. And this is not happening in the last 100 or 200 years, but for a very long time, in order for all other ideologies to fade away.

And as soon as everyone thinks about making money, no one will think about flying into space or exploring the universe, because you won’t make money from it. An obedient herd has been created, regardless of whether they are Anglo-Saxons, Jews, Russians or Chinese.

Everyone is obediently looking for money, they are not rebelling, their brains are not busy with all sorts of nonsense, poetry, climbing onto the balconies of their ladies, no one feels anything, everyone is consistently and logically built into earning schemes.

They gave the command to produce solar panels and batteries - we do. They gave the command to build something - we build it very quickly, because we are paid there.

There are no wars, no states, there is only one language and a new type of person - Homo Moneyus.
He strives for all the good from all the bad, and all the good is money. All the bad is when there is no money. Ideal humanity - it is finally done with these stupid inspirations and unpredictable feelings. Everyone is busy doing something and producing something (or pretending - that this is also normal), the main thing is that there is no free time to think about nonsense.

This is where it’s time to come out of the shadows and modestly declare themselves to be the ones who finally put the earth in order.
And to tell everyone else - you couldn’t, you only made everything worse with your aspirations for justice, and with such a simple thought about money we did something that you had never even imagined, where you would never have gotten with your concepts of good and evil.

How this can be fixed?

[Abti]

Third Way.

[lei.talk]

[BrandenburgGaming]

both are unnatural, therefore i think we have yet to find the one system that just makes sense.

I hate the idea of returning to lets say 50s capitalism, as a lot of people today say if we just do that, then everything is gonna be fine again. Theres a reason we dont have 50s capitalism anymore, its because it failed. Thats just an example though. Any ideology that failed before will fail again and i would argue it would fail even harder on the second try, since now theres a blueprint on how to make it fail

[catgeorge]

both are unnatural, therefore i think we have yet to find the one system that just makes sense.

I hate the idea of returning to lets say 50s capitalism, as a lot of people today say if we just do that, then everything is gonna be fine again. Theres a reason we dont have 50s capitalism anymore, its because it failed. Thats just an example though. Any ideology that failed before will fail again and i would argue it would fail even harder on the second try, since now theres a blueprint on how to make it fail

Agree - Both are Judaic constructs and an affront to European ideals that made its way in European life in the early 20th century where millions of native Europeans died in the hands of these alien ideologies.

[lei.talk]

Socialism
vs.
Capitalism

[lei.talk]

understandably, students of economic history
would like to read more about this:

I hate the idea of returning to lets say '50s capitalism...

There's a reason we don't have '50s capitalism anymore,

it's because it failed.

during the 1950s,
following the destruction of the nazis —

national socialists in the united states
(citing the success of centralised planning
in the defeat of german national socialists in world war two)

continued to expand the federal regulation
of the economy that began after the federal banking collapse of 1929.

at the same time,
the national socialists in britain
intensified their centralised regulation of the economy
even to portion-size of all variety of comestibles,
types of clothing allowed, and methods of communication

with the excuse of that nation's extreme poverty
(the united states waited for the complete bankruptcy
of britain before becoming an active ally
against german national socialists).

while the union of soviet socialist republics
was attempting to propagate worldwide socialism.

meanwhile, in your country — east germany (according to your profile)
was exercising an economic policy of capitalism:

encouraging the voluntary exchange of individuals' surplus
to their reciprocal benefit, the investment of personal savings in enterprises,
and the unhindered passage of personal wealth
to one's chosen beneficiaries;

while limiting the extent of governmental force
to policing the initiation of individual force/fraud,
the courts to adjudicate any such initiation,
and the military — to deal with large-scale initiation of force.

which books would you recommend
regarding this period in your country's history?

why did capitalism fail
in 1950s east germany

[Cernunnos]

A mixture of the two.

[ultright]

False Dichotomy - Both are ill-defined and both (as commonly understood) are manifestations of modern liberal humanism.

I might say instead that these are solely economic systems. That is, they cannot create or sustain civilization on their own. There need also be social, political, and legal systems, as well as the stuff that really holds society together, organic culture, its religion, and its genetics. That being said, capitalism works and all other options do not so I have to check the "capitalismo" box.