Does your Paternal lineage determine your tribe?

**Stefan_Dusan** · 09-07-2013, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Graham

Do you have old clan maps like we did? Certain names shared together a similar lineage.

Although some clans swapped children as peace offerings. People adopted a clan for safety or for a show of solidarity & territorial reasons . So not all share Y-dna, but share a cultural bond. So you have clan cheiftains, clans & septs.

we have a 'rodoslovlje' which shows our originator and all our male relatives. It shows surnames of all, and reveals if they changed. Women on the map are often indicated with asterisks (*).

**Philo** · 09-07-2013, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Fire Haired

Abraham is the father of the jews but he came from modern day Iraq. I doubt his y dna has survived that well. because u should not except all jews to trace their direct paternal line to Abraham. I am sure though his is popular and that eventulley they will find it. Some think they found the Y DNA haplogroup of Aaron brother of Moses click here . It would be awesome if they could find the Y DNA of important people in the Bible who should have alot of direct male descendants like King David and kind Solomon.

Yeah but Abraham probably did'nt exist. Anyways Jews are ~20% J2 and ~20% J1-P58, that's what I would have expected him to be if he did exist..

**Fire Haired** · 09-07-2013, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Philo

Yeah but Abraham probably did'nt exist. Anyways Jews are ~20% J2 and ~20% J1-P58, that's what I would have expected him to be if he did exist..

I gues since ur probably a atheist or just anti christian. That u want to say he did not exist people said the same about king david and the hittites. Compare ths Sumrerian flood and creation story to the one in the bible for 4,000 years they were able to rembmer that story almost word for word through oral tradition and writing. I deifntley think it is possible they rembmer abraham. There is also no doubt in my mind the bible was written when it says it was written. 3,000 year old hebrew texts proves they could write. 3,400 year old egyptien mention of the isrealites proves they existed back then. The fact that writting had existed in mid eastern cultures for over 2,000 years the jews came in existince there is no doubt they had the ability to pass on texts from over 3,000ybp. Then comare it to the ancient greek flood story they are all nearly identical. Also i have looked at flood and creation stories from around the world they show many similarities that i think could not have been recreated. U have to think the fact mayans, Germans, Bantu, Egyptians, Sumerians, Chinese, Australian aboriginals all believe in God. The idea of God was not recreated it is human instinct and why do u think over 200,000 years no one forgot about God maybe because he is very important and very real.

The way the bible talks about Hittites who people thought were a myth till the 1800's(jews were the last to remember them). The Hittites basically went extinct about 3,000 years ago. They did become syro hittites which would be the ones king David knew makes sense since syria is so close to isreal. That is good evidence of the old testaments legitimacy. There is even some evidence they fund the y dna haplogroup of aaron the brother of moses click here. Adarham is very important because he is the person God choose to bring humans around the world back to God and to leave the false Gods. God used his descendants to bring the messiah who then brought tons of people back to God.

**Philo** · 09-07-2013, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Fire Haired

I gues since ur probably a atheist or just anti christian. That u want to say he did not exist people said the same about king david and the hittites. Compare ths Sumrerian flood and creation story to the one in the bible for 4,000 years they were able to rembmer that story almost word for word through oral tradition and writing. I deifntley think it is possible they rembmer abraham. There is also no doubt in my mind the bible was written when it says it was written. 3,000 year old hebrew texts proves they could write. 3,400 year old egyptien mention of the isrealites proves they existed back then. The fact that writting had existed in mid eastern cultures for over 2,000 years the jews came in existince there is no doubt they had the ability to pass on texts from over 3,000ybp. Then comare it to the ancient greek flood story they are all nearly identical. Also i have looked at flood and creation stories from around the world they show many similarities that i think could not have been recreated. U have to think the fact mayans, Germans, Bantu, Egyptians, Sumerians, Chinese, Australian aboriginals all believe in God. The idea of God was not recreated it is human instinct and why do u think over 200,000 years no one forgot about God maybe because he is very important and very real.

The way the bible talks about Hittites who people thought were a myth till the 1800's(jews were the last to remember them). The Hittites basically went extinct about 3,000 years ago. They did become syro hittites which would be the ones king David knew makes sense since syria is so close to isreal. That is good evidence of the old testaments legitimacy. There is even some evidence they fund the y dna haplogroup of aaron the brother of moses click here. Adarham is very important because he is the person God choose to bring humans around the world back to God and to leave the false Gods. God used his descendants to bring the messiah who then brought tons of people back to God.

LOL. I'm not anti-Christian. I'm not denying the bible, I'm only denying some parts of it as historically inaccuarate. For example, the parts that talk about the Judeas fighting the Assyrians are obviously true, but they're from ~700 BCE. Abraham's period is not sure as it is, and we don't have definite proof about the exodus story. I only trust the bible beggining at King David. Anythnig before that is fiction for me.
Btw here's the mention of Israel from 1200 BCE that you tlaked about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele