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    Default Mystery of the Vlachs and South Slavs

    It is universally accepted Fact that Slavs came to Balkans and that their haplogroups are I2a1, R1a

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    Vlachs are I2a1 as well, not any I2a1 but CTS 10228.

    In 1850 A.D. Serbia had 150.000 Latin speaking (Only Latin Speaking) Vlachs who were Orthodoxes, who were again I2a1b CTS 10228 predominantly.

    In 6th century A.D. Vlachs (as it was described by Slavic people) were Majority of Balkan peninsula.

    Quesion is simple:

    If I2a1 is Slavic and if it came with Slavs, how did Vlachs became I2a1 CTS 10228?

    If Slavic man married Vlach woman then it would be logical that Slavic would a primary language, but NO! Latin was a major language in Serbia among the Vlachs up to 1850 when they were Assimilated into Serbs by Education System of early Jugoslavia and Serbia.

    Also, Vlachs could not learn Latin in Poland or Ukraine nor they learned it later cause they were not Catholics.

    Also when I asked them about Identity they all responded: "We are Romans!" They denounced catholics as "Frankish and Germanic people"

    So I2a1b CTS 10228 could NOT arrive from Poland, Vlachs are a PRIME EXAMPLES of that.

    Truth is: Vlachs are Romanized Balkan people, while I2a1 Serbs are non-Romanized Balkan people.

    Even Romans used to say: "Illyrians and Thracians are extremely difficult to Romanize(Latinize)"

    So no, I2 people are not people from Ukrainian Steppes or Russia, but people from Balkans.

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    Vlachs are not a single designated population, they are a mix of everything. It's just a name for a Latin-speaker. An English-speaking African does not turn him into Anglo-Saxon ethnically.

    There are assimilated Albanians in Sanxhak speaking Slavic language yet carrying common Albanian yDNA.



    Huno-Avars brought I2a1b-CTS10228 to the Balkans.


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    In 2006 Bosch et al. attempted to determine if the Aromanians are descendants of Latinised Dacians, Greeks, Illyrians, Thracians or a combination of these, but no hypothesis could be proven because of the underlying genetic similarity of all the tested Balkan groups. Linguistic and cultural differences between Balkan groups were deemed too weak to prevent gene flow among the groups.


    Besides, Vlachs in certain areas of Albania carry atleast 30% J2b2.

    I2a1b-CTS10028 in the case of Vlachs is easy to tell, 1400 years of being surrounded by Slavs leaves its mark through gene flow and cultural exchanges.

    Despite having it explained to Bosniensis in detail, that monkey does still not get it.

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    Why are many of the ex-Yugos on here so schizo about their identity? They seem to constantly swing back and forth between wanting to be paleo-Balkan or Vlach and Slavic. I feel like this thread has already had ten iterations lol.

    n 2006 Bosch et al. attempted to determine if the Aromanians are descendants of Latinised Dacians, Greeks, Illyrians, Thracians or a combination of these, but no hypothesis could be proven because of the underlying genetic similarity of all the tested Balkan groups. Linguistic and cultural differences between Balkan groups were deemed too weak to prevent gene flow among the groups.
    Yeah I was looking for that quote for a while. Everyone in the region seems to be kind of mixed up together by now.

    It is universally accepted Fact that Slavs came to Balkans and that their haplogroups are I2a1, R1a
    Well, not sure if the haplogroup part is really universally accepted yet. It may be true but the most recent conclusions on it are still being debated by some. Who knows, as we learn more about genetics, the picture may shift again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovidiu View Post
    Why are many of the ex-Yugos on here so schizo about their identity? They seem to constantly swing back and forth between wanting to be paleo-Balkan or Vlach and Slavic. I feel like this thread has already had ten iterations lol.



    Yeah I was looking for that quote for a while. Everyone in the region seems to be kind of mixed up together by now.



    Well, not sure if the haplogroup part is really universally accepted yet. It may be true but the most recent conclusions on it are still being debated by some. Who knows, as we learn more about genetics, the picture may shift again.
    Vlachs of FYROM, for example carry 21.5% Slavic R1a.


    "But no! Vlachs have zero Slavic influence, they are Paleo-Balkan Latin-speakers!"-Bosnienmonkey

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    The I2a1b in the Balkans is from Slavic migrations, just because it's found in Vlachs doesn't make it native. Anyways "Vlach" isn't exactly an ethnicity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Truth is: Vlachs are Romanized Balkan people
    You got it.

    The term Vlach (walhaz) was first used by rampaging Goths as an umbrella term to label the "others".

    These "others" are conquered and Romanized Balkan people (Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians), with some actually having Roman (Italian peninsula) ancestry.

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    the words vlach and sicilian should be banned on this forum

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    Natenyahu about Serbs 2014

    He recognize the fact I am talking about in Original post.


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    Perhaps it came with the Goths...I2a1b was found in ancient Swedish hunter gatherers in the regions we associate with the Goths, yet it is virtually absent there today. Could it have left Scandinavia with the Goths and spread to eastern Europe and the Balkans?

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