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    Default Today in 1229 - King Fidiricu of Sicily takes Jerusalem for Catholicism, has himself crowned King.

    He entered Jerusalem on the 18th of February, 1229, and was crowned king one month later on the 18th of March. His wife had been the legitimate queen, but she had died. Ignoring that fact, he claimed the throne for himself, and took it from the Muslims. For his troubles, he was excommunicated by the Pope... but that's besides the point.

    That was a symbolic turning point, I think, as it was somewhere around the time of Frederick when Sicily became majority-Catholic for the first time. Before that, it had always been Greek-speaking and mostly Orthodox, and yet here it was, with the Sicilian flag of a Catholic (in theory, more of an atheist in practice) king waving in the Holy Land.

    Was the Norman conquest and the subsequent conversion of the Sicilian populace to Catholicism better or worse for Sicily?

    On the one hand, we may have never been liberated from Arab rule and may have wound up converting to Islam like the Albanians and Bosnians later did... but then again, on the other hand, during Arab rule, Palermo was one of the richest, and most populated cities in the world, and a major center of science and art.

    If the Norman crusade didn't happen, would Sicily have been able to hold on to its Greek culture, or when the Byzantine Empire fell, would the entire island have become Arabized? It's not as though the Sicilian dialect of Arabic didn't have many speakers - the modern version is still the official language of Malta.
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    In order from what I'd have preferred/least preferred for Sicily.

    Greek-speaking Orthodox Greeks > Siculo-Arabic/Maltese speaking Catholics like the Maltese > Romance-speaking Catholics like we became > Arabic-speaking Muslims or Muslim at all.

    So I'd have preferred Christianity of any kind to Islam, but Greek Orthodoxy and the Greek language and identity to anything else.

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    More I read about the Norman conquests of s. Italy the more apparent it becomes their significance in shaping the region. They were a crucial part of the Crusades and pivotal in keeping s. Europe from becoming "Bedouin". Ask any N. African Muslim today about this aspect of history, and they will speak with a degree or reverence, awe, and tremble of the Normans.
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    If the Normans didn't keep Islam out of Europe and the Reconquista didn't happen, Europe would already be mostly Muslim today I am sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vesuvian Sky View Post


    More I read about the Norman conquests of s. Italy the more apparent it becomes their significance in shaping the region. They were a crucial part of the Crusades and pivotal in keeping s. Europe from becoming "Bedouin". Ask any N. African Muslim today about this aspect of history, and they will speak with a degree or reverence, awe, and tremble of the Normans.
    It also doesn't hurt that we, under Frederick's grandfather Roger II, conquered Tunisia (or, as it was called by some at the time, Roger's Kingdom of Africa).

    Also, I'm not sure about the Reconquista being all that important to Christendom's survival. Charlemagne stopped the Muslims from expanding into France. The Reconquista didn't end until the late 15th century, many centuries after Charles died.
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    The Reconquista stopped Spain from becoming like Morocco 2.0, but if Charlemagne stopped Islam from spreading, it likely would have been contained by the Pyrenees.

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    Indeed, Charlemagne was the founder of Andorra, which is still to this day sandwiched between Spain and France. It was during his era that they reached as far inward into Western Europe as they would go, but they were pushed out and forced to settle for Spain.
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