Do you think Greece and Finland are culturally more eastern european countries?

[Danaan]

who's the guy in your avatar? he looks very ancient Greek, no joke.

Maybe he looks ancient Macedonian? Not Athenian, though.

Edit: he doesn't really, judging by his other photos

[Lek]

Kleftes were goatvlachs. Not only Koutsovlachoi, but also Sarakatsani, Souliotes, Tzakones, Maniotes, even Sfakiotes qualifty as "goatvlach" type. The bands of Kolokotronis, Zervas, and Klaras, Makris, Diakos, John of Thessaly, (who crushed the Franks at Pelagonia), and Thomas Paleologos (the Slayer of Epirus) as well as the corsairs Dicaearchus of Aetolia, and Aemnians the Phokian all sailed under the black banner of the goatvlach. I believe even the great rebel Spartakus, from the Rhodope mountains, was one of the greatest goatvlach/slavovlach types recorded for posterity.


Spartacus was a Thracian from the nomadic tribes and not only had a great spirit and great physical strength, but was, much more than one would expect from his condition, most intelligent and cultured, being more like a Greek than a Thracian (Plutarch here describing typical SlavoVlachic tendencies, I believe)

That was a bias claim from Plutarch imo

[catgeorge]

Northern Greeks have always been and always be a northern Hellenic barbaric branch.

Epirot + Illyrian + Macedonian + Thracian mix

The door is locked out for the rest of the Balkan mythmakers and we are not letting you in.

You must submit your soul to the God of War if you want a ticket... otherwise keep on mythmaking in your make believe world.

[Peterski]

Finland is northern European country with more western cultural influence.
Greece is debatable. I think of them as southern European country with some EE influence.
I voted no, nevertheless.

As for the whole "eastern Europe" thing, in my opinion lumping together for example Bulgaria and Latvia as "eastern" is wrong. There is north-eastern Europe and south-eastern Europe (the Balkans).

We can also distinguish central or east-central Europe.

Greece belongs to the Balkans in my opinion, so I would count it as south-eastern Europe.

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As for genetics - the main division in Europe is for Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans (rather than Western and Eastern). Only within those two clusters, we can talk about North-Eastern, North-Western and South-Eastern, South-Western groups. Of course this thread is more about culture.

[brennus dux gallorum]

In real life, most of Greek regions are almost the opposite from balkans, so even more from eastern Europe. The rest of Greece even if it shares in common, it's still not Eastern Europe or Balkans, as long as it is part of Greece. Being in thessaloniki feels completely different than being in balkans

But here in TA even people from countries as north as in the baltic coasts can have opinion about our country

what i have noticed not only here, but in many other forums or YT as well, (and in real life, to a degree), is that MENA people try to associate us with eastern Europe, the same time that people mostly from the west who have visited Greece find nothing in common with either balkans or eastern Europe, and that we are related to Southern mediterranean Europe.

I guess that the "NO" majority comes mostly from the western minority

I love all the gadjos who want to associate Greece with the ottomans/east/anatolia, we're talking about the same people that used to call themselves albanian or vlach like 3 centuries ago and would raid and pillage Peloponnesian villages to make a living.Now they're speaking in the name of Greece.


Anyhow, Greece is Balkanomediterranean by genetics, Western by culture and political affiliations, Eastern by religion and language.

I agree, except of language which is centum (western) too.

Also genetically we are mostly mediterranean, we have geographically common border with Bulgaria, yet genetically we are closer to tuscany and Abruzzo

If Greece had eastern identity, there would be no reason to deny it

But Greece is its own, and if it has to be compared to other countries, these are the mediterranean/Southern European, not balkanic or even more northeastern countries

[brennus dux gallorum]

the only sure is that

this, is the common sense, at least in the west

[Lavrentis]

You might not find, but could that be said for all Greeks? You know it is not treu. There are lot cultural and religious ties between Greeks and Russians. On every level of society. Anyway. Eastern European culture is based largely on Byzantine influences.

Lol. First it is 7th december. And not Together with Epiphany, we celebrate it 19th. You have Greek Churches which use Ol Calendar, Agion Oros and Patriarchate of Jerusalem, and Slavic ones which use New (Bulgarian, Polish, Czech)


Hm, there are differences between two people born in same family in way how they percept their religion. But there is certainly overlap


Of course I could. Thing is you dont know enough about Russians. Anyway, there is no need, I will simply ask you which nation is percieved as closer by ordinary Greek? Greeks fraternize with Italians? Dont think so. Greece is only nation in NATO which is buying Russian weapon.


Food, you are wrong. Russian have meals brought from Greece, and most of them have Greek names. When you mentioned way of life, of coure there is difference but since ethic values of both people are based on same religion, it is stupid to even think there is no imilarities. When you mentioned customs, both people hold godparents in high esteeme, both people find gross indecency to marry distant relatives (something not so unusual among Italians). Lot of customs are again based on religiou hollydays.
Concidering menatlity: that is not culture, not even in braodest possible meaning.


That religion is baic things in culture of both said peoples.

Of course, Greece is Southern European, but in same time Eastern, but to say it has no connections with Orthodox Slavs is grave mistake.

Another insecure Serbian trying to drag Greece into his 'Eastern European-Balkan' bubble..

Why are they so obsessed with Greece? Why do they always want to be associated with Greece?

There are no cultural ties between Greeks and Russians, that's nonsense, I can't even begin to describe how different we are from them. Sharing the same religion doesn't mean shit, what do the Irish have in common with the Croats? And Eastern European culture being based on SOME Byzantine elements doesn't make Greece similar with your countries..

This idiot even said that Greeks and Russians are similar because both hold godparents into high esteem.. what a dumbass, these people try all kinds of nonsense in order to be associated with Greece

[Lavrentis]

It has even bigger impact on Eastern European culture. We mostly have Greek names, most of us practice Greek Christianity, we use variant of Greek script. Greece is much more Eastern than Finland, in any combination.

So just because you have Greek names and practice Greek christianity that makes you culturally similar to Greeks? Are you retarded? First of all, Greek names can be found literally all over the world. And Ethiopians practice Orthodoxy too, does that make them similar to Romanians?

[Lavrentis]

Greece and only Greece is the East and have always been.

When the Westerners group Greece with themselves they do it because they want to claim ancient greek culture.

Greece is not Eastern and you are not Greek. You are an Anatolian "Greek", a Hellenized Anatolian whose ancestors came here in 1923.

To anyone who doesn't know, Anatolian Greeks came here through a population exchange with Turkey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popula...ece_and_Turkey

Anatolian Greeks are Hellenized West Asians with an Asian mindset, they are not assimilated.

[Lavrentis]

Greece isn't western. Basically the west doesn't exist.

You are a Hellenized Anatolian immigrant in Greece, please stop talking on behalf of Greeks.