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    Academic fencing

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    Focus Weaponary
    Country of origin Germany Germany
    Parenthood German school of fencing

    Academic fencing (German akademisches Fechten) or Mensur is the traditional kind of fencing practiced by some student corporations (Studentenverbindungen) in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and to a minor extent in Kosovo, Estonia, Latvia, Poland and Flanders. It is a traditional, strictly regulated sword fight between two male members of different fraternities with sharp weapons. The German technical term Mensur (from Latin, dimension) in the 16th century referred to the specified distance between each of the fencers.[1]
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    Technique
    An 1896 picture of de:Adolf Hoffmann-Heyden(German), a German Corpsstudent, showing an extensive fresh fencing scar and some minor old ones.
    Student sabre duel, 1900
    Mensur fencing with Korbschlägern in Tübingen in 1831

    Modern academic fencing, the Mensur, is neither a duel nor a sport. It is a traditional way of training and educating character and personality; thus, in a mensur bout, there is neither winner nor loser. In contrast to sport fencing, the participants stand their ground at a fixed distance. At the beginning of the tradition, duelers wore only their normal clothing (as duels sometimes would arise spontaneously) or light-cloth armor on arm, torso, and throat. In recent years, fencers are protected by chain mail or padding for the body, fencing arm, fencing hand (gauntlet) and the throat, completed by steel goggles with a nose guard. They fence at arm's length and stand more or less in one place, while attempting to hit the unprotected areas of their opponent's face and head. Flinching or dodging is not allowed, the goal being less to avoid injury than to endure it stoically. Two physicians are present (one for each opponent) to attend to injuries and stop the fight if necessary.

    The participants, or Paukanten, use specially developed swords. The so-called Mensurschläger (or simply Schläger), exists in two versions. The most common weapon is the Korbschläger with a basket-type guard. In some universities in the eastern part of Germany, the so-called Glockenschläger is in use which is equipped with a bell-shaped guard. These universities are Leipzig, Berlin, Greifswald, Dresden, Tharandt (in the Forestry College which is now part of Technische Universität Dresden), Halle on the Saale, Frankfurt-an-der-Oder, and Freiberg. In Jena, both Korbschlägern and Glockenschlägern are used. Studentenverbindungen from some western cities use Glockenschlägern because their tradition had its origin in one of the eastern universities but moved to West Germany after World War II.

    The scar resulting from a hit is called a "smite" (German Schmiss), and was seen as a badge of honour, especially in the second half of the 19th century and the first half of the 20th. Today, it is not easy for an outsider to identify Mensur scars due to better medical treatment. Also the number of mandatory Mensuren were reduced in the second half of the 20th century. Most Mensur scars are located on the left temple of the forehead. Scars on the cheek and chin are rather uncommon today and sometimes due to accidents.
    History
    Timetable of academic fencing in Germany
    Marburg student of about 1700
    Fencing lesson at the university fencing school in Altdorf, 1725
    Corporate student of the "Agronomia" in Bonn 1928/1929
    Typical smallsword of the 1740s

    Starting in Spain at the end of the 15th century, the dueling sword (rapier) became a regular part of the attire of noblemen throughout Europe. In the Holy Roman Empire, this became usual among students, as well. Brawling and fighting were regular occupations of students in the German-speaking areas during the early modern period. In line with developments in the aristocracy and the military, regulated duels were introduced to the academic environment, as well. The basis of this was the conviction that being a student meant being something different from the rest of the population. Students wore special clothes, developed special kinds of festivities, sang student songs, and fought duels, sometimes spontaneously (so called rencontre, French "meeting" or "combat"), sometimes according to strict regulations called comment (French "how"). The weapons used were the same as those employed in civilian dueling, being at first the rapier and later the smallsword (court sword, dress sword, French l'épée de cour, German Kostümdegen, Galanteriedegen) which was seen as part of the dress and always at hand as a side arm.

    Student life was quite unsafe in these years, especially in the 16th and 17th centuries during the Reformation wars and the Thirty Year War (1618–1648), when a major part of the German population was killed. Public life was brutal and students killing each other in the street was not uncommon.

    A major step towards civilization was the introduction of the "regulated" duel of which the first recordings exist from the 17th century. The fight was not decided on the spot, but the time and location were appointed and negotiations were done by officials. A so-called Kartellträger did the arrangements and a "second" represented the interests of the fighter during the duel and could even give physical protection from illegal actions. A kind of referee was present to make decisions, and eventually the practice of having an attending doctor became normal so as to give medical help in case of an injury.

    At the end of the 18th century (after the French Revolution), wearing of weapons in everyday life fell out of fashion and was more and more forbidden, even for students. This certainly reduced the number of spontaneous duels dramatically. The regulated duel remained in use, although it continued to be forbidden.
    Pariser small sword, derived from the French foil

    The foil was invented in France as a training weapon in the middle of the 18th century to practice fast and elegant thrust fencing. Fencers blunted the point by wrapping a foil around the blade or fastening a knob on the point ("blossom", French fleuret). In addition to practising, some fencers took away the protection and used the sharp foil for duels. German students took up that practice and developed the Pariser ("Parisian") thrusting small sword for the Stoßmensur ("thrusting mensur"). After the dress sword was abolished, the Pariser became the only weapon for academic thrust fencing in Germany.

    Since fencing on thrust with a sharp point is quite dangerous, many students died from their lungs being pierced (Lungenfuchser), which made breathing difficult or impossible. However, the counter movement had already started in Göttingen in the 1760s. Here the Göttinger Hieber was invented, the predecessor of the modern Korbschläger, a new weapon for cut fencing. In the following years, the Glockenschläger was invented in east German universities for cut fencing as well.

    Thrust fencing (using Pariser) and cut fencing using Korbschläger or Glockenschläger) existed in parallel in Germany during the first decades of the 19th century - with local preferences. So thrust fencing was especially popular in Jena, Erlangen, Würzburg and Ingolstadt/Landshut, two towns where the predecessors of Munich University were located. The last thrust Mensur is recorded to have taken place in Würzburg in 1860.

    Until the first half of the 19th century, all types of academic fencing can be seen as duels, since all fencing with sharp weapons was about honour. No combat with sharp blades took place without a formal insult. Compared to pistol duels, these events were quite harmless. The fight was regularly ended when an injury occurred which caused a wound with a length of at least one inch and with at least one drop of blood coming out from it. It was not uncommon for students to have fought approximately 10 to 30 duels of that kind during their university years. The German student Fritz Bacmeister is regarded to be the record holder of the 19th century due to his estimated 100 mensur bouts fought in Göttingen, Jena and Würzburg between 1860 and 1866.[2] In the 20th and 21st century it's Alexander Kliesch (Landsmannschaft Brandenburg Berlin) with more than 60.

    For duels with nonstudents, e.g. military officers, the "academic sabre" became usual, apparently derived from the military sabre. It was a heavy weapon with a curved blade and a hilt similar to the Korbschläger.

    During the first half of the 19th century and some of the 18th century, students believed the character of a person could easily be judged by watching him fight with sharp blades under strict regulations. Academic fencing was more and more seen as a kind of personality training by showing countenance and fairness even in dangerous situations. Student corporations demanded their members fight at least one duel with sharp blades during their university time. The problem was that some peaceful students had nobody to offend them. The solution was a kind of formal insult which did not actually infringe honour, but was just seen as a challenge for fencing. The standard wording was dummer Junge (German for "silly boy").

    In the long term, this solution was unsatisfying. Around 1850, the Bestimmungsmensur (German bestimmen means "ascertain", "define" or "determine") was developed and introduced throughout Germany. This meant the opponents of a Mensur were determined by the fencing official of their corporations. These officials were regularly vice-chairmen (Consenior) and responsible for arranging Mensur bouts in cooperation with their colleagues from other corporations. Their objective was to find opponents of equal physical and fencing capabilities to make the event challenging for both participants. That is the way it is still done today, and is the concept of the Mensur in the modern sense of the word.

    Before the Communist revolution in Russia and before World War II, academic fencing was known in most countries of Eastern Europe, as well.

    Academic fencing in Germany was temporarily abolished, along with the Studentenverbindungen, during the Third Reich, but it is still practiced by hundreds of traditional Studentenverbindung corporations.
    In literature
    Preparations for a mensur (Warsaw in Poland, 2004) - K! Sarmatia, www.sarmatia.pl
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    Otto Skorzeny earned his scar in a Mensur duel:




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    Wow there is a thread about this?

    I think it's a noble tradition which separates the ones who truly live for the "Verbindung" and the ones who don't. Also it's excluding cowards!


    Oh and by the way.

    The "mensur" showed in the video seems to be done by actors.

    The commandos, the costumes and so on looks like quite authentic, but the "fight" is quite bad.

    WAY to slow and the "hacks" are not like the rules want them to be...

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    I recall many years ago I saw at a magacine an early XXth photo of a group of German students posing armed with swords, suddenly I felt the Prussian world, in fact that costume has no counterparts in Western and Southern Europe, a duel from no real offence. Maybe because I am a mere Western South European I miss totally the point, university is about the world of ideas not about mutually causing or suffering horrid face scars, altough to be fair, at these days there're such hideous activities in campuses that I almost feel simpathy for that updated rite.

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    Academic fencing isn't outdated, I also did this.

    It's more than just causing or having scars.

    It shows braveness, your will to fight for your nation and your will to shed your blood for your Fraternity.

    I never felt more alive than after my first Mensur.

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    I don't like it, a bloodthirsty tradition which has luckily become out of fashion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grenzland View Post
    I think it's a noble tradition which separates the ones who truly live for the "Verbindung" and the ones who don't. Also it's excluding cowards!
    Grenzland, to what kind of "Verbindung" do you belong?
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    I accept it's more that just causing or having scars, but pictures dont do it a favour and shift the university image to a kind of strange military academy for civilians. Here there's a great gap between ones and others.

    Moreover, Fraternity concept isnt traditional in Spanish university, if present just a mere copycat of Anglosaxon countries, in fact I dont like all that Alpha-Kappa-Beta stuff, I find it laughable. I suppose German concept is more respectable.

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    You can't compare those American fun "Fraternities" to the German ones. There are many different kinds of them in Germany and none of them are like the Americans.

    It's an old tradition, no need to delete this. Nobody is forced to join a Fraternity...

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    Wo hast du denn studiert? (ich sag mal du)

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