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mum3.jpg My first post here. I am I1a1b and the women in my family are very beautiful. My mother had black hair with brown eyes and olive skin (as did one of her brothers) but two of her siblings were fair skinned and red haired. Her maternal grandmother Johanna had dark auburn hair as did her great-grandmother Anne. Her great-grandmother Anne came to Australia in 1869 from Liverpool but was born in Athlone in Ireland in 1849. Anne's mother Mary was born in Athlone in 1817 but her mother Helen Moran was born in Liverpool in 1795. Her mother Judith (Judik) was born in Amsterdam of a Dutch Jewish mother of Levite ancestry. I have joined the Iris project and Genbank. The photo is of my mother.
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Is it possible to locate the possible origin of I1c1a?
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Is it your mtdna bro?
EDIT: looks like it's Eastern European with a very young TMRCA. It's sisterclade is also probably East-Central European.
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/I1c1/
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It is found in Ashkenazi Jews
from Eupedia it says
I1c: found in central and eastern Europe and in Siberia
I1c1: found in central and eastern Europe / found in Early Roman Lebanon
I1c1a: found among Ashkenazi Jews
from SNP tracker it says
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on a family tree dna project
364 226701 Rifke Newman Ukraine I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16390A, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
365 N18955 Chaje Basia WEISS; Poland Poland I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 522.3A, 522.4C, 573.1C, 573.2C
366 263786 Garten - - Brest Litovsk, Belarus Belarus I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 522.3A, 522.4C, 573.1C, 573.2C
367 244011 Machela MOSZENBERG (?), b. 1841 Poland I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
368 155666 Taubenfeld Poland I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
369 276285 Esther Sakheim b 1870 Warsaw, Poland Poland I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
370 298626 Emy Neuschloss, b. abt.1785 Hungary I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
371 N126246 Neli Klein Weinberger, b. 1820 and d. 1875 Hungary I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
372 N2728 Hani Mandel 1790 Nagykaroly/Carei, Hungary/Romania Hungary I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
373 B6939 Sam Lipshutz b. 1879 Poland I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
374 5188 Fratchen Kahn, 1769 Fachbach, Germany Germany I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
375 541557 I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C, 573.3C, 573.4C
376 147289 Lithuania Lithuania I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C, 573.3C, 573.4C
377 597155 Rose Lawson-Taubin, b. 1878, d. 1929 Belarus I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C, 573.3C, 573.4C, 573.5C
378 47976 Fannie (Feiga) Wellman, b. ca Vilna Lithuania Lithuania I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C195T, T199C, T204C, G207A, A247G, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
379 14456 Reiza Nemenchinski, 1822-1898, Vilna, Lithuania Lithuania I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
380 801406 Zali Landsman b. 1874 Hungary I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 522.3A, 522.4C, 573.1C, 573.2C, 573.3C, 573.4C
Fratchen Kahn The German Jewess who carried I1c1a was born in 1769. I have found her maternal grandmother was born in Fachbach in Western Germany
http://sternmail.co.uk/sld/getperson...76&tree=SLtree
This suggests the immediate origins of lineage before becoming Ashkenazi may be Western European
apparently the parent branch was found in ancient Spain
Cami de Can Grau Spain — 3500-3000 BC I1c1 Sampietro 2007; Olivieri 2013
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