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    Quote Originally Posted by aherne View Post
    Most Aryan: Russians
    Least Aryan: Greeks
    Nope, Russians are heavily mixed with Uralics.

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    Most: Ukrainians
    Least: Sicilians, Maltese, Sardinians. I'd have said Greeks but they have more R1a.

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    Most-Russians, Poles, Ukrainians, Belarusians.
    Least-South Italians, Sicilians, Maltese, Greeks.

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    Most :East Slavs, then West Slavs
    Least:Western Europe, South eastern europe

    by the way only northern russians have uralics admixture, for central/souther Russians it's negligeable.

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    Earliest R1a in Europe in Poland.

    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/11...group-r1a.html

    The earliest expansion time for R-M458 is found in Poland (10.7ky), but since the paper uses the effective mutation rate that I criticized elsewhere, this date should be divided by a factor of 3 giving an age of 3.6ky. This matches quite well the age for the Balto-Slavic split according to Gray and Atkinson. As with the recent paper on J-P58, adopting the germline rate makes excellent sense.

    If R-M458 had started expanding 10.7ky ago, then by the time of the early dispersals of Kurgan groups east, it would have been present among them, and we would expect to find it east of the Urals and in the Near East/Central/South Asia. To reconcile this age with the archaeological picture of west-east movements across the steppe seems impossible. However, the situation resolves itself neatly when we realize that J-P58 is only 3-4 thousand years old, and was not in existence at the time of the Kurgan expansion.
    Highest R1a Nation in Europe in Poland.

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

    Earliest Kurgan in Europe in Poland.

    http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2010...rded-ware.html

    I did some checking last night, and it seems this Corded Ware kurgan from Southeastern Poland is the oldest in Eurasia (6,000 YBP). But I'd like to hear from anyone who knows of source that mentions a kurgan older than this.
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    Genetically mostly Polish, Russian and Ukrainians..
    Least... France, Belguim, Germany, Netherlands, United Kingdom and Ireland and Spain

    Linguistically: mostly Lithuanian
    Least: Basque (but they are isolated)

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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    Least... France, Belguim, Germany, Netherlands, United Kingdom and Ireland and Spain
    These countries all have a significant amount of IE influence, except Spain, and Ireland.

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    Most is probably Poland or Carpathia. Least is probably Iberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio View Post
    These countries all have a significant amount of IE influence, except Spain, and Ireland.
    Do you mean the Y haplogroup or autosomal data?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevo View Post
    Do you mean the Y haplogroup or autosomal data?
    I mean phenotypically. And actually, i'm not including France either.

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