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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    Hungary has never been integral part of Austrian Empire:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-hungary

    The Habsburg monarch ruled as Emperor of Austria[8] over the western and northern half of the country that was the Austrian Empire (Cisleithania or "Lands represented in the Imperial Council")[9] and as King of Hungary[8] over the Kingdom of Hungary (Transleithania or "Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen").[9] Each enjoyed considerable sovereignty, with only a few joint affairs (principally foreign relations and defence).[10]

    Certain regions, such as Galicia within Cisleithania and Croatia within Hungary enjoyed autonomous status, each with its own unique governmental structures. (See: Galician autonomy and Croatian-Hungarian Agreement.)

    The division was so marked between Austria and Hungary that there was no common citizenship: a person was either an Austrian or a Hungarian citizen, and no one was allowed to hold dual citizenships.[11][12][clarification needed] The difference in citizenship also meant that, there were always separate Austrian and Hungarian passports, never a common one.[13][14]

    The Empire of Austria and Kingdom of Hungary have always maintained separate parliaments. (See: Imperial Council (Austria) and Diet of Hungary.) Legally, except for the Pragmatic Sanction of 1713, common laws have never existed in the Empire of Austria and Kingdom of Hungary. All laws, even the ones with identical content, such as the compromise of 1867, had to pass the parliaments of both Vienna and Budapest. They were published in the respective official media (in the Austrian part, it was called Reichsgesetzblatt and was issued in eight languages).

    Despite the fact that Austria and Hungary shared a common currency, they were fiscally sovereign and independent entities.[15]

    From 1527 (the creation of the monarchic personal union) to 1851, Kingdom of Hungary maintained own customs borders, which separated her from the other parts of the Habsburg-ruled territories.[16] Since 1867, the Austrian and Hungarian customs union agreement had to be renegotiate and stipulate in every ten years. The agreements were renewed and signed by Vienna and Budapest, because both country hoped mutual economic benefit by the customs union.
    I never claimed it has been part of the empire. It was a dual monarchy after the compromise 1867, but I talk about the current relationship.
    Ask a random Austrian to which nation he has more affinity. Hungary, Czech Rep. or Slovenia.
    Hungary will be the clear winner.
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    He foresaw clearly the complete defeat of Nazi Germany, and the European chaos that would result from the war. He believed that no future was conceivable for any of the minor nations in Eastern and Central Europe if they tried to continue to live their isolated national lives. He asked his friends in America to help them establish a federal system, to federate. This alone could secure for them the two major assets of national life: first, political and military security, and, second, economic prosperity. Hungary, he emphasized, stood ready to join in such collaboration, provided it was firmly based on the complete equality of all the members states.


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    Kossuth blamed Deák for giving up the nation's right of true independence, and asserted that the conditions he had accepted went against the interests of the state's very existence. In this letter his vision predicted that Hungary, having bound its fate to that of the Austrian German nation and the Habsburgs, would go down with them. He adumbrated a subsequent devastating European-scale war in the Continent, which will be fueled and induced by extremist nationalism, where Hungary will be on the side of a "dying empire". "I see in the Compromise the death of our nation," he wrote



    Kossuth wrote a one-volume autobiography, published in English in 1880 as Memoirs of My Exile. It mainly concerns his activities between 1859 and 1861 including his meetings with Napoleon III, his dealings with the Italian statesman Cavour and his correspondence with the Balkan royal courts about his plans for a "Danubian federation" (A plan for the federalization of Austria-Hungary).

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    It is significantly, roughly 40% lesser than the original A-H Empire.

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    I like Monarchies. I think we're better off with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    It is significantly, roughly 40% lesser than the original A-H Empire.
    What do you mean? Lesser in what respect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žołnir View Post
    Well from tourist prespective and PR for Austria constitutional monarchy would fuel in the money i guess but if i were into that i would expect a monarch to be more active in diplomacy, etc. than lets say British monarchs. The monarchs most logical title from traditionalist point of view would be Archeduke of Austria. And from Slovene minority prespective i would expect them to re-create old Carinthian enthronement ceremonial which was ended after Ernest the Iron. Ok thats dreaming i know. I am not expert on Austrian politics but i have a gut feeling not many Austrians would support monarchy.
    If Austria would become a constitutional monarchy, is it necessary that a new constitution be written?

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    No, Otto renounced all claims to the throne and monarchist sentiment is not that high.

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