Sicilian, Italian, and Greek 23andme AC Results (Speculative) and Haplogroups.

[alfieb]

Mostly Carthage, with some Sicilians whose families moved to Africa and then came back. We ruled over swaths of Northern Africa during the Kingdom of Sicily.

[Sikeliot]

I always assume when I see very North African looking Sicilians, that their families had lived in Tunisia and moved back. Carthaginians would have been mostly Phoenician.

[alfieb]

Mostly Levantine, sure, but they must have mixed with native Berbers. Carthaginian culture wasn't identical to that of their Phoenician ancestors.

[aja675]

If anyone was wondering, this is what they all get. I also included haplogroups..

"Italian" is a reference population comprised mostly of Italian Americans of Sicilian and Calabrese descent.
Thus, the results you are seeing reflect the deviation from the average.

I included also my own and someone who is half English.







Messina:

#1



#2



#3



#4




Trapani:





Palermo:


#1



#2





Agrigento:

#1



#2





Me (1/2 Messina province, 1/4 Portuguese, 1/4 Polish)





half Sicilian (Palermo) half English

Which of them are actual Sicilians?

[alfieb]

I'd imagine all of them except for the last two.

[aja675]

I'd imagine all of them except for the last two.

So Sikeliot, could you tell how many actual Sicilians there are? I mean, like, those who actually grew up in Sicily?

[Sikeliot]

All of them were born there.

[Sikeliot]

Here is another one, not sure which province:

[alfieb]

Saw your topic on the 23andMe forum. Nice discussion, but it's pretty much all stuff that we've heard before. A lot of theories, little consensus.

Do you share with that Arbereshe Sicilian? A shame she seems to be so mixed, as they're quite the interesting group.

[Peyrol]

2 more Palermitan relatives:

This one show precisely all the ethnic substrates of the palermitani.