Iranian Nordoid examples

[blogen]

show your academic degree that to speak this,and when you refute Kurgan hypothesis we continue dispute,loser.

The Kurgan hypothesis is less accepted it compared with a Anatolian, since the hypothesis has fundamental problems with the Indoeuropaization of Europe. The western half of the continent could not be Indoeuropean if the Kurgan folk would have spread the IE language, since they and their descendants did not get onto that area. And the European steppe area fits perfectly into the Anatolian theory on the other hand as an Indo-Iranian homeland.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Ok let's learn some genetic stuff:

"At some point in time, the Arbins (from R1b) began migration to the west, across Central Asia, North Kazakhstan, South Urals, to the Russian Plain where they have established a number of archaeological cultures between 12,000 and 4500 ybp (includeing apparently Seroglazovo, Khvalyn, Samaran, Middle Volga, Drevneyamnay, Catacomb, and also “Proto-Kurgan” and/or “Kurgan” cultures which are largely considered as controversial and not accepted by many historians; it should be emphasized that all those above suggestions regarding the archaeological cultures can be viewed at present only as very tentative ones). [...] Yamnaya, Catacomb and neighboring archaeological cultures of Central and South Russia, which apparently were shared by both R1b and R1a bearers, albeit in different time periods. R1b before 5000 ybp, R1a after 4500 ybp have confused archaeologists who have observed “different roots” of those cultures, spreading in different directions and in different times."

Source:
Anatole A. Klyosov
The Academy of DNA Genealogy, Newton, USA
"Ancient History of the Arbins, Bearers of Haplogroup R1b, from Central Asia to Europe, 16,000 to 1500 Years before Present"
Advances in Anthropology 2012. Vol.2, No.2, 87-105.

Here is a better map for R1a. Do you see the Kypchak areas?


And here is a much better overview:

ok,now Kipchak vs oficial genetic version the Kurgan hypothesis.both of you are so funny.

[Proto-Shaman]

when you refute Kurgan hypothesis we continue dispute,loser.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoli...reconstruction

"The Paleolithic Continuity hypothesis reverses the Kurgan hypothesis and largely identifies the Indo-Europeans with Gimbutas's "Old Europe."[8] PCT reassigns the Kurgan culture (traditionally considered early Indo-European) to a people of predominantly mixed Uralic and Turkic stock. This hypothesis is supported by the tentative linguistic identification of Etruscans as a Uralic, proto-Hungarian people that had already undergone strong proto-Turkic influence in the third millennium BC,[7] when Pontic invasions would have brought this people to the Carpathian Basin. A subsequent migration of Urnfield culture signature around 1250 BC caused this ethnic group to expand south in a general movement of people, attested by the upheaval of the Sea Peoples and the overthrow of an earlier Italic substrate at the onset of the "Etruscan" Villanovan culture.[7]"

[Sharkeatpeople]

The Kurgan hypothesis is less accepted it compared with a Anatolian, since the hypothesis has fundamental problems with the Indoeuropaization of Europe. The western half of the continent could not be Indoeuropean if the Kurgan folk would have spread the IE language, since they and their descendants did not get onto that area. And the European steppe area fits perfectly into the Anatolian theory on the other hand as an Indo-Iranian homeland.

lol^
yeah,yeah,of course.nothing problem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoli...esis#Criticism

Criticism[edit]

Against the Anatolian hypothesis stands the argument that PIE contains words for technologies that make their first appearance in the archaeological record in the Late Neolithic, in some cases bordering on the early Bronze Age, and that some of these words belong to the oldest layers of PIE. The lexicon includes words relating to agriculture (dated to 7500 BCE), metallurgy (7500 BCE), stockbreeding (6500 BCE) the plow (4500 BCE), gold (4500 BCE), domesticated horses (4000–3500 BCE) and wheeled vehicles (4000–3400 BCE). Horse breeding is thought to have originated with the Sredny Stog culture, semi-nomadic pastoralists living in the forest steppe zone in present-day Ukraine. Wheeled vehicles are thought to have originated with Funnelbeaker culture in what is now Poland, Belarus, and parts of Ukraine.[8]
Many Indo-European languages have cognate words meaning axle; for example: Latin axis, Lithuanian ašis, Russian os' , and Sanskrit ákṣa. (In some, a similar root is used for the word armpit: eaxl in Old English, axilla in Latin, and kaksa in Sanskrit.) All these are linked to the PIE root ak's-. The reconstructed PIE root i̯eu-g- gives rise to German joch, Hittite iukan, and Sanskrit yugá(m), all meaning yoke. Words for wheel and cart/wagon/chariot take one of two common forms, thought to be linked with two PIE roots: the root kwel- "move around" is the basis of the unique derivative kwekwlo- "wheel" which becomes hvél (wheel) in Old Icelandic, kolo (wheel, circle) in Old Church Slavonic, kãkla- (neck) in Lithuanian, kyklo- (wheel, circle) in Greek, cakka-/cakra- (wheel) in Pali and Sanskrit, and kukäl (wagon, chariot) in Tocharian A. The root ret(h)- becomes rad (wheel) in Old High German, rota (wheel) in Latin, rãtas (wheel) in Lithuanian, and ratha (wagon, chariot) in Sanskrit.
Most estimates from Indo-Europeanists date PIE between 4500 and 2500 BC, with the most probable date falling right around 3700 BC. It is unlikely that late PIE (even after the separation of the Anatolian branch) post-dates 2500 BC, since Proto-Indo-Iranian is usually dated to just before 2000 BC. On the other hand, it is not very likely that early PIE predates 4500 BC, because the reconstructed vocabulary strongly suggests a culture of the terminal phase of the Neolithic bordering on the early Bronze Age.

[Sharkeatpeople]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoli...reconstruction

"The Paleolithic Continuity hypothesis reverses the Kurgan hypothesis and largely identifies the Indo-Europeans with Gimbutas's "Old Europe."[8] PCT reassigns the Kurgan culture (traditionally considered early Indo-European) to a people of predominantly mixed Uralic and Turkic stock. This hypothesis is supported by the tentative linguistic identification of Etruscans as a Uralic, proto-Hungarian people that had already undergone strong proto-Turkic influence in the third millennium BC,[7] when Pontic invasions would have brought this people to the Carpathian Basin. A subsequent migration of Urnfield culture signature around 1250 BC caused this ethnic group to expand south in a general movement of people, attested by the upheaval of the Sea Peoples and the overthrow of an earlier Italic substrate at the onset of the "Etruscan" Villanovan culture.[7]"

Paleolithic Continuity hypothesis

and

the Kurgan hypothesis

so,different theories/hypothesis have the right to exist,if they really different.but it all does not negate the Kurgan hypothesis.

[Proto-Shaman]

ok,now Kipchak vs oficial genetic version the Kurgan hypothesis.both of you are so funny.

I didn't claim this. Did you at least learned about Kurgans genetic composition now?

[blogen]

lol^
yeah,yeah,of course.nothing problem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoli...esis#Criticism

These are not serious problems, compared with the full deficiency of the alleged Kurgan-effect on the biggest part of the Old European area.

[Proto-Shaman]

so,different theories have the right to exist,if they really different.

Yes, for sure, but:

"The most economical and productive hypothesis is then to consider both the Serednyj Stog and the Yamnaya cultures as Turkic, which would imply that Turkic people were the first to have mastered horse domestication, and to have passed to the neighbouring people."

Source: ALINEI MARIO (2003): Interdisciplinary and linguistic evidence for Palaeolothic contunuity of Indo-European, Uralic, and Altaic population in Eurasia, with an excursus on Slavic ethnogenesis.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Yes, for sure, but:

"The most economical and productive hypothesis is then to consider both the Serednyj Stog and the Yamnaya cultures as Turkic, which would imply that Turkic people were the first to have mastered horse domestication, and to have passed to the neighbouring people."

Source: ALINEI MARIO (2003): Interdisciplinary and linguistic evidence for Palaeolothic contunuity of Indo-European, Uralic, and Altaic population in Eurasia, with an excursus on Slavic ethnogenesis.

so what ?
it's also a hypothesis and theory.

[Sharkeatpeople]

These are not serious problems, compared with the full deficiency of the alleged Kurgan-effect on the biggest part of the Old European area.

show your academic degree that to speak this