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    Default Turkey Fears Russia Too Much to Intervene in Syria

    Ankara won't step into the conflict because it's terrified Moscow will retaliate -- again.

    Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov visited Ankara on April 17th, but the event went almost unnoticed. Despite deep differences between Ankara and Moscow over Syria, Turkey has refrained from rebuking Moscow. That's because Turkey fears no country more than it fears Russia.

    Ankara has nearly a dozen neighbors if you include its maritime neighbors across the Black Sea and the Mediterranean. Emboldened by its phenomenal economic growth in the past decade and rising political power, Turkey appears willing to square-off against any of them; Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has publicly chided the leaders of Syria, Iran, and Iraq. In fact, none of the country's neighbors can feel safe from Ankara's wrath -- with the exception of Russia, that is.

    "The Russians can make life miserable for us, they are good at this."
    The Turks suffer from a deep-rooted, historic reluctance to confront the Russians. The humming Turkish economy is woefully dependent on Russian energy exports: More than half of Turkey's natural gas consumption comes from Russia. Consequently, Turkey is unlikely to confront Moscow even when Russia undermines Turkey's interests, such as in Syria where Russia is supporting the Assad regime, even as Ankara tries to depose it.

    Historically, the Turks have always feared the Russians. Between 1568, when the Ottomans and Russians first clashed, to the end of the Russian Empire in 1917, the Turks and Russians fought 17 wars. In each encounter, Russia was the instigator and the victor. In these defeats, the Ottomans lost vast, and often solidly Turkish and Muslim, territories spanning from the Crimea to Circassia to the Russians. The Russians killed many inhabitants of these Ottoman lands and expelled the rest to Turkey. So many Turks descend from refugees from Russia that the adage in Turkey is: "If you scratch a Turk, you find a Circassian persecuted by Russians underneath."

    Having suffered at the hands of the Russians for centuries, the Turks now have a deeply engrained fear of the Russians. This explains why Turkey dived for the safety of NATO and the United States when Stalin demanded territory from Turkey and a base on the Bosporus in 1945. Fear of the Russians made Turkey one of the most committed Cold-War allies to the United States.

    Recently, Turkish-Russian ties have improved measurably. Russia is Turkey's number-one trading partner, and nearly four million Russians vacation in Turkey annually. At the same time, Turkey's construction, retail, and manufacturing businesses are thriving in Russia. Turkish Airlines, the country's flag carrier, offers daily flights from Istanbul to eight Russian cities.

    Still, none of this has erased the Turks' subconscious Russophobia. In 2012, I asked a policymaker in Ankara whether Turkey would take unilateral military action to depose the Assad regime in Damascus. "Not against the wishes of Moscow" my interlocutor said. Adding: "The Russians can make life miserable for us, they are good at this."

    At least some of the Turkish fear of Russia appears grounded in reality. Turkey is dependent on Russia more than any other country for its energy needs. Despite being a large economy, Turkey has neither significant natural gas and oil deposits, nor nuclear power stations of its own. Ankara is therefore bound to Moscow, which has often used natural gas supplies as a means to punish countries, such as Ukraine, that cross its foreign policy goals.

    There is also a security component: Russia helped set up the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), a group that led a terror campaign against Turkey for decades, causing over 30,000 casualties. The PKK emerged under Russian tutelage in Lebanon's then-Syrian occupied Bekaa Valley during the 1980s, and it has enjoyed intermittent Russian support even after the collapse of Communism.

    Turkey recently entered peace talks with the PKK, and many in the group are likely to heed the advice of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan and lay down their weapons. Yet, a pervasive fear in Ankara is that some rogue elements and hardliners could emerge from the PKK, denouncing the talks and continuing to fight Turkey.

    Meanwhile, Ankara has been confronting the Assad regime in Damascus since late 2011 by supporting the Syrian opposition. This had led to a spike in PKK attacks against Turkey, most coming from Iran, which apparently has allowed the PKK freedom of movement in its territory to punish Ankara for its stance against Assad.

    The fear in Ankara is that Russia might just do the same if Turkey were to invade Syria, propping up rogue PKK elements inside that country to lead an insurgency against Turkish troops. Together with other concerns, such as the risk of the conflict in Syria spilling over into Turkey, the Turkish fear of Russia has led Ankara to avoid direct intervention in Syria.

    Such fears have also led Turkey to pivot further toward the United States, once again seeking protection under the NATO umbrella against the looming Russian giant. Taking into consideration Turkey's fear of Russia, any Turkish military action against the Assad regime will have to be predicated on full NATO support and involvement.

    For the Turks, history repeats itself every day when it comes to Moscow: don't stand in Russia's way lest it torment you, again.

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    What was your source?

    This article is quite laughable and almost entirely wrong except this sentence;

    This explains why Turkey dived for the safety of NATO and the United States when Stalin demanded territory from Turkey and a base on the Bosporus in 1945. Fear of the Russians made Turkey one of the most committed Cold-War allies to the United States.
    Turkey never feared of Russia except WW-2 era but it was quite opposite of that most of the times. Turkey only feared of the victorious Stalin in the end WW-2 and thats exactly why US invited us to their NATO and we became very first member of it after the founding states.


    Russia and Turkey are economically bound to each other today. None of the sides can act hostile to each other because of mutual economical benefits up to 100 billions of dollars every year. Turkey is a bigger partner than entire EU for Russian economy. Moscow cannot disrupt their relations with us unilaterally. This would mean an economical disaster for Russia.

    Thinking about a possibility of Russians disrupting their economical relations with Turkey is something like Chinese stop selling goods to USA. Neither of those would be realized.

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    Very good article
    Like i mentioned before, Apricity turks live in parallel dimension where sky is green, grass is blue and turks are tall and beautiful. But all others and even majority of turks live in real world.

    Russia and Turkey are economically bound to each other today
    That is your main delusion
    Russia can easily replace Turkey while Turkey can not replace Russia at all.
    Turkey is a bigger partner than entire EU for Russian economy.

    EU share in Russia's foreign trade is 49%, Turkey share is 5%
    Btw 80%+ of russo-turkish trade is turkish import. Millions tourists from Russia visit Turkey, tens thousands turks working in Russia. Many turkish companies allowed and happy to work in Russia, while Turkey is not really interesting for russian businessmen.
    Thinking about a possibility of Russians disrupting their economical relations with Turkey is something like Chinese stop selling goods to USA. Neither of those would be realized.
    you extremely overrate importance of your country for Russia
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    lol turkey is shitting their pants, there is a huge war next to them that has nothing to do with them and they can't do anything.. they just have to accept it.

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    The chief reason the Turkish government can't directly intervene in Syria is because the Turkish people wouldn't support it. Polls show as much as 80% of Turkey are against a Turkish military intervention in Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altay View Post
    The chief reason the Turkish government can't directly intervene in Syria is because the Turkish people wouldn't support it. Polls show as much as 80% of Turkey are against a Turkish military intervention in Syria.
    What is the military power of Turkey right now in amount of tanks, airplanes and vehicles?

    Israel for the moment has 2,500 tanks ready for war for example.

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    While there is a fair amount of truth in the article it's exaggerating the situation. I wouldn't say Turkey fearing Russia, they just being reasonable. They will lose much more from being hostile to Russia than gain from being openly involved into Syrian crisis. It's a simple math.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    Russia and Turkey are economically bound to each other today. None of the sides can act hostile to each other because of mutual economical benefits up to 100 billions of dollars every year. Turkey is a bigger partner than entire EU for Russian economy. Moscow cannot disrupt their relations with us unilaterally. This would mean an economical disaster for Russia.
    Well-being of some individuals and companies in Russia depend on good trading relationships with Turkey indeed. But in general Russia can close it's borders with Turkey today and it will have almost no impact on economy of Russia. There are still huge markets around the world for Russia to go to.

    For Turkey on the other hand breaking trading relationships with Russia will be disaster.

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    Baluarte is using sources like PressTV. Those websites are not news outlets, they don't have credentials. I suggest to just ignore Baluarte's post if he doesn't provide sources. He doesn't provide them for a reason.

    Well-being of some individuals and companies in Russia depend on good trading relationships with Turkey indeed. But in general Russia can close it's borders with Turkey today and it will have almost no impact on economy of Russia. There are still huge markets around the world for Russia to go to.
    Like where?

    What is the military power of Turkey right now in amount of tanks, airplanes and vehicles?

    Israel for the moment has 2,500 tanks ready for war for example.
    Turkey's military industry is still developing but it is already second largest army of NATO, and has finest army in Europe in terms of quality and quantity. Turkey already develops their own national tanks, heli's, ships, armed cars, unmanned planes, cruise missiles and other stuff. Turkey will reach it full potential in 10 to 20 years, where it will surpass the army of Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    This would mean an economical disaster for Russia.
    rather, it would be a disaster for Turkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoca View Post
    Baluarte is using sources like PressTV. Those websites are not news outlets, they don't have credentials. I suggest to just ignore Baluarte's post if he doesn't provide sources. He doesn't provide them for a reason.


    Like where?


    Turkey's military industry is still developing but it is already second largest army of NATO, and has finest army in Europe in terms of quality and quantity. Turkey already develops their own national tanks, heli's, ships, armed cars, unmanned planes, cruise missiles and other stuff. Turkey will reach it full potential in 10 to 20 years, where it will surpass the army of Russia.


    Can Turkey conquer Greece in 1 week? I heard you have 4,000 tanks ready.

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