R1b = True Europeans?

**Proto-Shaman** · 08-27-2013, 10:03 PM

I think we should open a thread about Ind0-Eur0pean "Y.Dna R1" and "mtDNA X" in indogenous North America.

**Artek** · 08-27-2013, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan

I think we should open a thread about Ind0-Eur0pean R1 in North America.

We all do know it was Turkic

**Proto-Shaman** · 08-27-2013, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Artek

We all do know it was Turkic

Wasn't that you who said that Turkic R1a was 0nce Ind0-Eur0pean?

**Anthropologique** · 08-27-2013, 10:21 PM

These maps (the two initially posted) are old and full of errors. Seriously amateur productions from a person who fancies himself a human population geneticist.

Ülev · 09-07-2018, 08:37 PM

whatever you write, the winners are West Slavs, always

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...est-Slavic-R1b

**Zroota** · 11-27-2018, 07:10 AM

Europe (and Asia) are a socially and culturally constructed continents.

Whilst R1b people may have spoken a proto Indo-European language, that doesn't necessarily mean they come from the European continent. There is another common hypothesis that R1b originated in Anatolia. Last time I checked, this is in Western Asia, not Europe.

**Kelmendasi** · 11-27-2018, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Shelati

Europe (and Asia) are a socially and culturally constructed continents.

Whilst R1b people may have spoken a proto Indo-European language, that doesn't necessarily mean they come from the European continent. There is another common hypothesis that R1b originated in Anatolia. Last time I checked, this is in Western Asia, not Europe.

R1b itself may have come from a more eastern area of Asia but had migrated westwards. The older forms of R1b such as P297 and V88 may have arisen somewhere in the middle east. But R1b-L23(perhaps even M269) which is the ancestral clade of the majority of R1b today most definitely came from the Steppe and expanded from there, based on ancient samples and basal clades found.