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    It seems that as part of the issues “of mutual interest” which the Council of Europe’s (CoE) Secretary General Thorbjørn Jagland intends to discuss during his visit to Russia, the topic of minority rights was chosen by his hosts as the one to put an emphasis on.

    At his meeting with Jagland earlier today, the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stressed the need for additional efforts in addressing the challenges to the rights of Russian minorities in Estonia and Latvia.

    “We appreciate the work of the Secretariat of the Council of Europe in relation to the situation of national minorities in Europe,” said Lavrov and continued “For us, this is particularly important in view of the situation in which many Russian speaking people in Latvia and Estonia have been for years.”

    According to latest available governmental data, as of 2011 there are around 1,071,572 ethnic Russians in the three Baltic States, their number being approximately 340 750 in Estonia and 556,430 in Latvia. The number of ethnic Russians in Lithuania has been estimated to be around 172,000.



    As Joanna Hyndle-Hussein and Miryna Kutysz write in their article for the Polish Centre for Eastern Studies, Russian-speakers are a numerous minority in Latvia and Estonia “which causes deep division in these countries from the ethnical point of view”. According to the scholars, the problem of highest importance in the legal aspect is the unregulated status of the Russian-speakers in those two countries. Though they are permanent residents of Latvia and Estonia many of them still do not have these countries' citizenship.

    The problem has recently exacerbated after last week the Russian and Latvian foreign ministries exchanged acute comments in relation to the newly adopted amendments to the Latvian law on citizenship. Russia claims that the changes are not in line with international recommendations and will worsen the situation of the stateless Russian-speaking minority in the country, especially by the lack of provision of an automatic citizenship to children of "non-citizens". According to the Latvians, however, the Russians are “deliberately attempting to deceive international community” because the new wording of the law improves the current regulation and simplifies the registration of non-citizens’ and stateless persons’ children as citizens.

    As part of his visit to Russia, CoE’s Secretary General will hold talks also with Justice Minister Alexander Konovalov and the State Duma Chairman Sergey Naryshkin. It is still unclear how and whether the Council of Europe considers to respond to the Russian call for more efforts in addressing the challenges to the rights of Russian minorities in Estonia and Latvia.

    Probably, the issue is not the main item in the agenda for Jagland’s visit either. On his way to Moscow, the secretary general was urged by non-governmental organisations to call on Russian leaders to end the what they name "crackdown on civil society groups."


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    Your gf is a perfect example of an undesired immigrant unable to integrate.

    But as I understand you are an undesired immigrant/occupant yourself. Quite the opposite of anykind of preservation.

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    How am I implicated?
    I speak the language of the country where I live, I live here legally, and from a purely economic standpoint I've never been reimbursed through social security, while paying a high % taxes.

    My religion is also the same as the historic religion of France, and I am part of the broad Romance-speaking group of people.

    Not the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post

    Rights for Russians
    They already have more rights here than they do in Russia + privileges.

    Lavrov probably and his term "Russians needs rights" probably meant something like this: "the one and only official language of Estonia should be Russian, the Estonian government should step down and give governance to the local Russians."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    They already have more rights here than they do in Russia + privileges.

    Lavrov probably and his term "Russians needs rights" probably meant something like this: "the one and only official language of Estonia should be Russian, the Estonian government should step down and give governance to the local Russians."
    no it means having right for citizenship in the country they were born and having right to vote

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussiaPrussia View Post
    no it means having right for citizenship in the country they were born and having right to vote
    Everyone who wants can have that. You just have to know basic Estonian, Estonian laws and history. Take the tests and get citizenship. I had a friend in school who did that, and this year a Ukranian friend of mine also received Estonian citizenship by passing the tests.


    Naturally migrants have to take these tests to receive citizenship. People who have not applied for citizenship will not receive it and therefore also dont have the right to vote in general elections. They however have the right to vote in local elections. These people have not wished to be a citizen of any country, they havent applied for Russian citizenship either. They have been granted the right to live and work here, instead of being deported (which should have been done instead).


    8% of Soviet migrants have not wished for a citizenship of any country.
    http://news.err.ee/politics/759a6f74...4-5f57ad5b921a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talvi View Post
    Everyone who wants can have that. You just have to know basic Estonian, Estonian laws and history. Take the tests and get citizenship. I had a friend in school who did that, and this year a Ukranian friend of mine also received Estonian citizenship by passing the tests.


    Naturally migrants have to take these tests to receive citizenship. People who have not applied for citizenship will not receive it and therefore also dont have the right to vote in general elections. They however have the right to vote in local elections. These people have not wished to be a citizen of any country, they havent applied for Russian citizenship either. They have been granted the right to live and work here, instead of being deported (which should have been done instead).
    Yeah deported so you lose 30% of your population and become a wasteland, trust me estonia needs russians since we have higher IQ than baltics.

    Thats why they rather want them to be second hand citizen and expand on our abilities and achievements.

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    Example: A Dutchman, Belgian or Briton goes to Estonia and learns to speak some Estonian and out of a sheer interest he studies the local history of Talinn while working for a foreign company. Would he qualify for Estonian citizenship ?



    Wake up and smell the coffee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RussiaPrussia View Post
    Yeah deported so you lose 30% of your population and become a wasteland, trust me estonia needs russians since we have higher IQ than baltics.
    How come that these high IQ geniuses are getting HIV in such a rapid rate as they do in the all-Russian city Narva?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Styggnacke View Post
    How come that these high IQ geniuses are getting HIV in such a rapid rate as they do in the all-Russian city Narva?
    because they stay only with themselfs, and who the hell knows why russians got so much HIV infection in the first place? It was sure spread by your american friends.

    Doesnt change the fact russians are smarter than swedes

    youre just mad, that we are smarter.

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