Mainland versus islander Greeks: Is there a phenotypic difference, or do they look the same?

[Köstebek]

Islanders have more genetic connections with Anatolia

[Tauromachos]

don't take me wrong, but apart from saying that he is from the islands first (which was wrong) and apart from the fact that such people can be found in the country as a whole (although in different proportions), your pics are kinda easy, for example the Cretan guys can easily be distinguished, not because of their facial traits, which have not something special compare to the rest of the country, but because of their style

Yes i know,
don't get me wrong neither...


I'm especially aiming towards Sikeliot,because he brings always up this stuff and is emphasizing that Greeks
from the Islands are completly distinct from Mainlanders.


He immediately guessed the first guy as an Islander and in fact he is from the Southern Mainland

My pics are not really so easy,believe me.
Even if you are Greek you can be wrong,except if you know all the persons in the pics and their backgrounds,since all of these are more or less public figures.

But i don't want to reveal to much yet,i first want to make him or another preferably Non Greek person more guesses and see how he will classify these types.

Sikeliot's first guess has already been wrong,you see.
Only after that he got it right.

[Queen B]

When you speak about Islanders you should say if they are Aegean or Ionian islanders.

[brennus dux gallorum]

When you speak about Islanders you should say if they are Aegean or Ionian islanders.

He always means Aegean, and particularly south-eastern Aegean, we ionian islanders and North Aegean or cyclades are "mainland shifted", with all the bad consequences

[Tauromachos]

He always means Aegean, and particularly south-eastern Aegean, we ionian islanders and North Aegean or cyclades are "mainland shifted", with all the bad consequences

Exactly,this is what he does
He is completly ignoring the fact that the Ionian Islands and Peloponnese is much closer to Italy and Sicily than any Island in the
Aegean.
Alot of immigratians of Greek people into Italy came from there and not from the Easternmost islands
This is where his whole theory becomes ridiculus.
He wants Sicilians to be exclusively East Aegeans and more similar to Aegean Islanders,even than Southern Peloponnesian Greeks.
He somehow depicts Sicily as intermediate between Greece'Mainland' and Dodecanisia and Cyprus,when it is far more logical,for both cultural and simple geographical reasons to assume the opposite and this has been confirmed also by real scientific genetic studies i have seen and not by Sikeliot's genetic maps,where an Ashkenazi Jew is identical with a Southern Italian and an Aegean Islander.

I will post the link perhabs at some point when i have more time.

Deep Mani for example in the Peloponnese is intermediate between the rest of the Peloponnese and Crete and
Dodecanisia,which makes completly sense in my point of view.
Mani and Tsakonia from all regions have the least Slavic input,but all over the Peloponnese,the Slavic element
doesn't exceed 15%.

About the Ionian Islands i don't know,
but i would say they have almost zero Slavic.
I also never heard about Arvanites in the Ionian Islands.

The only Islands that have been settled by Arvanites are in fact some Islands on the Aegean side.
Not the Cylclades, but Islands South of Attica Saronic gulf 'Aegina','Salamina'.
and Islands at the Argolic gulf 'Hydra' and 'Spetses'
Thats pretty much it..lol


Lets see if he has the guts to guess all remaining 6 types in my photos and tell us who is who
Pontian,Cretan,Islander,Peloponnesian,Epirote.
If he does,i can tell you the result could end up very funny.

[Sikeliot]

^^ Sicilians ARE genetically closer to Dodecanese than to any mainlanders and that's a fact. Even Peloponnesians have more NE Euro than Sicily. Whether Slavic or not.

Sicily has Levantine input which makes plotting with mainlanders impossible.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Epirus mainly is Alpine with Dinaric and then Mediterranean admixture.

Typical Epirots look like that.





Often with a Dinaric influenced nose.

Epirots are mostly Vlach origin.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Vlachs from Epirus

[blondbeast]

Islanders have more genetic connections with Anatolia

Cheers

P.S. Map of Sarmatia, 3rd century AD:

[Queen B]

Exactly,this is what he does
He is completly ignoring the fact that the Ionian Islands and Peloponnese is much closer to Italy and Sicily than any Island in the
Aegean.

Irrigardless, when we talk about islands, we talk about ALL islands. If he wants to speak about Aegean islander, he should say Aegean or South Aegean or whatever. Ionian islanders is also islanders.

Lets see if he has the guts to guess all remaining 6 types in my photos and tell us who is who
Pontian,Cretan,Islander,Peloponnesian,Epirote.
If he does,i can tell you the result could end up very funny.

He can't. I have done it many times.