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    Abstract
    Kalevi Wiik has suggested that certain changes in Germanic were actuated by shifting Finno-Ugric speakers. One of the crucial problems of such explanations is how to estimate the impact of any possible contact in the past to the grammars of the languages involved in this contact. According to the principles of the theory of communication accommodation the substrate features are unlikely to be brought to L1 as there is little motivation for monolingual L1 speakers to accommodate to low prestige L2 speakers. The paper suggests that accommodation is possible in such contact situation if there is a common identity for L1 and shifting L2 group. To test this hypothesis, an inter-group communication situation was experimentally created and the rate of accommodation evaluated in the conversations between Estonian and Russian speakers. The result confirmed that there is a perceived phonetic accommodation of Estonians towards non-native pronunciation and the signs are the stronger the stronger is the interpersonal relationship between the speakers. The paper also discusses the implications of these results to the understanding of contact induced change.

    1. Introduction

    Research on language contact (Thomason, Kaufman 1988; Thomason 2001;
    Mufwene 2001; Schneider 2003) has shown that contrary to common
    beliefs, almost any structural feature can be borrowed from one language
    to the other, provided that there has been a contact situation between the
    languages concerned. Perhaps this has motivated historical linguists to
    propose contact explanations to changes that were previously believed to
    be independent developments.
    The problem with these explanations is that there is no precise method
    to assess whether a substrate influence that is linguistically possible, could actually have initiated the corresponding change in the contact language
    (see Laakso 1999). It is well known that contacts of different intensity lead
    to different outcomes from purely lexical borrowing to extensive grammatical
    convergence. No less important are also the status factors between
    the languages in contact. Different power relations lead to different patterns
    of bilingualism and different extent of changes that the languages witness.
    And last but not least, also the speakers’ ”attitudes can be either barriers
    to change or promoters of change” (Thomason 2001 : 85).
    In this paper we will assess the hypothesis about several contact induced
    changes in Proto-Germanic, proposed by Kalevi Wiik (1997a; 2002). According
    to S. G. Thomason, a solid contact explanation should be able to show the
    effect of the contact to the whole language, not just explain the particular
    features; and it should be able to show that the contact between languages
    was ”intimate enough to make structural inference possible” (2001 : 93).
    This means that contact explanations to historical changes need not only
    be substantiated by arguments on the structural plausibility of the particular
    change, but also by a socio-historic reconstruction of the particular
    contact situation with the assessment of the totality of the impact it could
    have had.
    Such a reconstruction should be based on evidence obtained from
    contemporary contact situations and its validity should be checked against available archaeological, genetic and cultural evidence known about this
    historical setting. Thus, to assess K. Wiik’s hypothesis we will model the
    possible types of contact situations that might give causes to changes
    proposed. Then we compare the model with what is known about the
    socio-historic conditions at the time of the proposed substrate influence
    by K. Wiik to see whether his explanation is viable or not.

    2. Hypothesis: Finno-Ugric substrate in Germanic
    According to K. Wiik (1997a; 1997b; 2000a; 2000b; 2000c; 2002) the language
    boundary between the Indo-European and Finno-Ugric languages was
    initially located in the Central Europe and coincided with the boundary
    of agricultural and hunting subsistence systems. During the last 7500 years,
    this language boundary has moved to its present location in the East coast
    of the Baltic Sea. This happened, according to K. Wiik, as the Finno-Ugric
    speakers first adopted agriculture and later shifted to Indo-European
    languages. Thus, according to K. Wiik, we have a vast area of language
    shift that has left behind significant substratal influences in Germanic, Slavic
    and Baltic languages.
    For example, K. Wiik proposes that the cause of the consonant shifts
    in Proto-Germanic described by Grimm’s Law and Verner’s Law was
    incomplete learning of Proto Germanic by shifting Finno-Ugric speakers
    (Wiik 1997a; 2002). Indo-European protolanguage is assumed to have had
    a complex plosive system with voice and aspiration oppositions. The Finno-
    Ugric protolanguage plosive system, on the contrary was very simple,
    consisting of only three voiceless stops: p, t, k. Thus, as K. Wiik (1997a)
    argues, the Finno-Ugric speakers substituted the voiced stops with the
    corresponding voiceless ones in a similar manner as the Finno-Ugric
    learners often do today while speaking English. This accounts for the devoicing part of Grimm’s Law (see 1a). As for the changes involving
    aspiration, K. Wiik (1997a) assumes that the aspirated plosives (traditionally
    symbolised as ph, th, kh, bh, dh, gh) were actually pronounced with
    friction in the place of articulation. Finno-Ugric speakers identified only
    the friction part and omitted the occlusion part. This learning error is
    common for Finno-Ugric speakers also today (for example German Pferd
    is heard as Ferd etc). Thus, the shifting Finno-Ugric speakers replaced the
    aspirated stops by homorganic fricatives, and later replaced the marked ƒ
    and › with the unmarked f and v:
    (1) (a) devoicing
    b > p, d > t, g > k
    (b) omission of occlusion
    /ph/ pƒ > ƒ > f /th/ tθ > θ /kh/ kx > x
    /bh/ b› > › > v /dh/ d∂ > ∂ /gh/ g¸ > ¸
    Kalevi Wiik (1997a; 2002) has proposed similar explanations to a
    number of other changes such as the Proto-Germanic stress shift, stress
    centralisation (which caused apocopy and syncopy, shortening of long
    unstressed vowels and reduction of the inventory of possible unstressed
    vowels), palatalisation and a number of vowel changes. The idea of Finno-Ugric and Germanic contact influences is not a new
    one. Already in 1953, Lauri Posti put forward a hypothesis that Proto-
    Germanic superstrate has caused a large number of consonant changes in
    Proto-Finnic (Posti 1953). Although his contact explanations are largely
    rejected (see Kallio 2000, 2002), a considerable number of Germanic loan
    words in Proto-Finnic, as well as some toponyms of Germanic origin in
    Finno-Ugric area (Koivulehto 1987) imply that a contact existed, indeed.
    Petri Kallio (2000 : 96) suggest that it could have been similar to the contact
    of French and English after the Norman Conquest, thus an influx of a
    small number of culturally advanced superstrate speakers to the territory
    of substrate. Lauri Posti’s (1953 : 90) original proposal would rather suggest
    an adstrate relationship.
    Kalevi Wiik’s hypotheses (1997a; 2002) give language contacts much
    more central role: basically, the Proto-Germanic is the outcome of the large
    scale language shift form Finno-Ugric languages to Indo-European. His
    hypothesis was supported and elaborated in several works of other linguists
    (Künnap 1997; 1998; 2000; Pusztay 1998) and historians (Julku 1997; 2000).
    However, K. Wiik’s proposals about Finno-Ugric substratum in Proto-
    Germanic have been also heavily criticised (Kallio, Koivulehto, Parpola 1997;
    1998; Anttila 2000; Palviainen 2001; Kallio 2002). For example, P. Kallio (2002
    : 168—169) argues that there is a lack of Finno-Ugric loanwords in Proto-
    Germanic that one would expect if it had a Finno-Ugric substratum. On
    the other hand, there are a number of other non-Finno-Ugric substrate words in Proto-Germanic. Thus, there has been some other substrate rather
    than Finno-Ugric. Yet K. Wiik (2002) does not see this as a problem:
    numerous lexical borrowings point to a superstrate influence whereas
    substrate influence manifests itself mostly in phonology and syntax. As the
    Finno-Ugric influence in Germanic is substratal, loanwords are not expected.
    The actual substratum explanations proposed by K. Wiik are even more
    strongly criticized. For example, the changes in (1b) could not have been caused by imperfect learning by Finno-Ugric speakers as they ”would
    naturally have replaced aspirates by stops instead of fricatives” (Kallio 2002
    : 174). K. Wiik’s (2000b) experimental counterevidence that Finnish subjects
    recognised heavily aspirated ph as f in a perception tests he conducted
    was opposed by S. Palviainen (2001) who pointed that whereas f is a
    phoneme in contemporary Finnish and could therefore easily recognised,
    the Proto Finno-Ugric did not have this phoneme and ph could not have
    recognised as f, but p instead.
    Although the accent shift is perhaps the most likely candidate for a
    Finno-Ugric substrate in Germanic (see Salmons 1992 : 168—174), K. Wiik
    dates this change far too early (Stone Age) for the majority of Germanists
    to accept it: generally it is believed not to take place until the Iron Age.
    Palatalisation as a substrate influence has also been criticised for faulty
    dating: it could not be correct as the Finno-Ugric i has become a neutral
    vowel long before i-umlaut took place in Germanic (Kallio 2002 : 177).
    However, dating is one of the most controversial questions in historical
    linguistics: there are no sure methods of dating historical changes (unless
    written texts are available) and most of datings are just consensual.
    Perhaps most convincing of the counterarguments presented so far is
    the apparent lack of Finno-Ugric toponymes in Proto-Germanic speech area
    (Kallio 2002 : 169), at the same time as there is a rich Finno-Ugric
    toponymical layer in Northen Russia (Saarikivi 2000). As toponyms are
    the most likely traces of a disappeared substratum, one would except to find them if there is other substratal influence present. K. Wiik (1998)
    acknowledges this, but his arguments for apparent Finno-Ugric toponyms
    in Central Europe remain dubious.
    Thus, from the perspective of comparative-historical linguistics, K. Wiik’s
    hypotheses are falsified. The problem is that the proponents of K. Wiik’s
    approach argue that the comparative-historical method is outdated and far
    more reliable results can be obtained by combining the methods of
    linguistics, population genetics and archaeology. This paper takes the challenge
    and tries to assess K. Wiik’s hypotheses in the light of the general
    processes of second language learning and intercultural communication
    that are in operation in the processes of language shift.
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    Isn't the professor Wiik considered controversial and rejected?

    However, its work is extremely interesting, though, some Baltic-Finnic (mainly Finnish) languages are loaded with Proto-Germanic loanwords, giving more evidence to Scandinavian urheimat of Proto-Germanic culture.

    Some loan-words from early Germanic which exist in neighbouring non-Germanic languages are believed to have been borrowed from Germanic during the Proto-Germanic phase; an example is Finnish and Estonian ''kuningas'' "king", which closely resembles the reconstructed Proto-Germanic ''

    ★ kuningaz".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brännvin View Post
    Isn't the professor Wiik considered controversial and rejected?
    Saying that the Earth isn't flat, was once also considered controversial.

    However, its work is extremely interesting, though, some Baltic-Finnic (mainly Finnish) languages are loaded with Proto-Germanic loanwords, giving more evidence to Scandinavian urheimat of Proto-Germanic culture.

    Some loan-words from early Germanic which exist in neighbouring non-Germanic languages are believed to have been borrowed from Germanic during the Proto-Germanic phase; an example is Finnish and Estonian ''kuningas'' "king", which closely resembles the reconstructed Proto-Germanic ''

    ★ kuningaz".
    Germanics and Finnics lived in the same areas, so interaction had to happen. Most of the Finnics in Northern- and Central Europe got assimilated. One of the main reasons why Finns and Estonains still speak a Finnic language is this: Bogs cover about 22% of Estonian territory. Estonia ranks second place in the world after Finland for having the most marshy land.
    Last edited by Äike; 09-23-2009 at 01:00 PM. Reason: very funny mistake :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Saying that the Earth is flat, was once also considered controversial.
    You mean not flat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    You mean not flat.
    Yes, thanks for correcting me.

    I'll edit my post

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    This is an old thesis posited already once by the French linguist Antoine Meillet, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrykolakas View Post
    This is an old thesis posited already once by the French linguist Antoine Meillet, I think.
    Do you have a source? This thesis sounds quite interesting.

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    I don't know of any internet link, but as far as I remember, he expounded on that thesis in his book Caractères generaux des langues germaniques, that I read long time ago. This book is not available online, but I guess you can borrow it somewhere. I suppose there is German and English translation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Saying that the Earth isn't flat, was once also considered controversial.
    Actually this paper;
    (Wo die wahre Revolution ist)
    ( in German) from the Dutch professor Cornelius Hasselblatt rebate Wiik's theories, but it is important to read both and draw their own conclusions both have their truth.

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    sounds interesting. perhaps out-of-topic comment, but these new Wiik´s contact theories seem to be very popular in Estonia and seems that in Finland as well. Or even more: because the theory is supported by Estonian scholar Künnap, who is well recognized in here, the theory seems to be something like canonized doctrine in Estonia. The old ,coming from Urals, theory has proclaimed ,false, and out of date here because there was no enough archeological support.
    Künnap-Wiik views are advertised everywhere but its merely an hypothesis. Where is the support? Dig out a ,finno-ugric spoken, skull in outskirts of Odessa or Kherson or etc.
    It ´s written in many foreign sources and also in wikipedia that Wiik´s theory was almost entirely unsuccessful in the scientific community. It´s significant that at the same time then the new, being proto European, theories are very in in Finnic countries the rest of the world still believes the old ones. I´don’t think that there are no fennougrists in other countries and don´t think they are low qualified.

    I don´t trust it very much, because it seems a bit too political to me: it wants to claim that Finnics are more westeuropean then we are and are more connected with the Germanic peoples which are, for some reason considered to be more ,reputable, than Finno-Ugrians, Slavs or Balts.

    And btw, there is nothing Oriental in the old theory: it just sees that Finno-Ugrians are the most eastern Europeans. Just a small, isolated language family, there is nothing ,Mongol,. Just like some other small non Indo-European but European language families: Basques, Caucasians (georgian language etc). The theories that Ural languages are related to Altaic are out of date.
    And face the reality: the reality is that Estonians, Finns, Hungarians, Mordvinians etc are of white, Caucasian look. Don’t know exactly but about 98 per cent of FinnoUgrians look European. Yes, the Khanty-Mansi are semi-mongoliod but it´s because of they are finnougrized Paleoasiates. And the same with Samoyeds. And btw, Nenets and Estonian are as distant as Norwegian or Urdu.Or even less.

    One can make theories more or less stupid but it´s ridiculous to try to make some withe people believe that they are actually non-withe. Only Hors & co may believe it.

    In the reality even a small child knows that Estonians look more western than Russians.And not talking about the culture which is really quaite Germanic-type in here.

    And btw, Mongolian girls are hot. Negroes are not at all sexy to me but Asians are.I´d like to go to disco in Ulaanbaatar

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