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    Alcoholism and Mongoloid Ancestry
    Mongol genes leave Russians susceptible to alcoholism

    Moscow - Scientists researching cures for alcoholism and hangovers say that they have found a genetic link between Russians' traditional weakness for drink and the marauding Mongol armies of Genghis Khan.

    As many as 50 per cent of Muscovites are estimated to have inherited Mongol genes that make them absorb more alcohol into the bloodstream and break it down at a slower rate than most Europeans, they say.

    That means they get more drunk, have worse hangovers and are more likely to become addicted to alcohol, given Russia's taste for vodka, its harsh climate and the social and economic chaos after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    "The difference is huge - in reaction speed, memory, hand tremor and in how they recover," Vladimir Nuzhny of the health ministry's National Narcology Research Centre said. "On average, 50 per cent of people in Moscow have this Mongoloid gene. So this, we think, is part of the problem."

    As part of the study, the scientists paid 12 volunteer students to drink 350 grams, about a third of a bottle, of vodka in an hour, and then monitored their behaviour.

    "That's a lot by Western standards, but it's normal for Russia," Dr. Nuzhny told The Times. "At first they thought it was great because they were being paid to drink, but after a while they realized it was more like work."

    The intoxicated students had to perform a series of tests, including answering questionnaires and playing rally-driving computer games, and were breathalysed at regular intervals. The scientists even measured their ability to stand up straight on a specially adapted machine.

    After sleeping off the effects in a dormitory at the laboratory - which had a karaoke machine - the students were given a slap-up breakfast before doing more tests to measure their hangovers. The study showed that those with the Mongol genes absorbed 50 per cent more alcohol into the bloodstream at peak levels and metabolized it much more slowly than the other students.

    "The way they get drunk is completely different. They are also more likely to feel aggressive or depressed," Dr. Nuzhny said. "They do not necessarily look Mongolian, but the gene that governs how they metabolize alcohol is Mongoloid."

    The Mongols swept across Asia and Russia and into Europe in the 13th century and ruled Russia for two centuries. Intermarriage with the Slavs and other ethnic groups was common.

    Scientists have long known that people of Mongol extraction, including Chinese, Koreans and Japanese, have an enzyme for metabolizing alcohol which is different from that of Caucasian Europeans.

    Dr. Nuzhny claims that his study is the first to look at the effect of alcohol on Russians who have inherited Mongol genes. He says that the phenomenon can be explained partly by evolution. The nomadic Mongols, whose only indigenous form of alcohol was fermented mare's milk, evolved with a different enzyme from the settled Europeans with their long tradition of producing stronger grape and grain-based alcohol.

    Dr. Nuzhny's research is partly funded by pharmaceutical companies trying to develop drugs to cure hangovers and alcoholism.

    Russians drink about 15 litres of pure alcohol a head each year, one of the highest rates in the world, and by some estimates one in seven Russians are alcoholics. Alcohol is largely to blame for a fall in life expectancy to less than 59 since the fall of the Soviet Union.

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    People interested in scientific facts and not insane Finnish drivel should read Distribution of the Alcohol Dehydrogenase ADH1B*47His Allele in Eurasia

    Link: http://www.medgenetics.ru/UserFile/F...1B%2047His.pdf

    See Table 1.

    By the way, when it comes to Moscovites proper the figure is 1.9%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hors View Post
    People interested in scientific facts and not insane Finnish drivel should read Distribution of the Alcohol Dehydrogenase ADH1B*47His Allele in Eurasia

    Link: http://www.medgenetics.ru/UserFile/F...1B%2047His.pdf

    See Table 1.

    By the way, when it comes to Moscovites proper the figure is 1.9%.
    Why are you not intrested in referring to scientific facts when leashing out on Finns and Estonians??
    Your imbecillic claim "Finns are from Mongolia", is that proven by any scientific facts??
    But we do know Russians have some mongol ancestry
    http://books.google.com/books?id=kPw...ssians&f=false

    Don't forget Kalmyks from mongolia intermarrying with Russians for centuries...

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    Let's just all agree that Finns and Russians both like their drink, end of story, and that it doesn't matter whether this is due to alleged Mongoloid ancestry or not. up

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotцrheadRememberMe View Post
    Why are you not intrested in referring to scientific facts when leashing out on Finns and Estonians??
    Your imbecillic claim "Finns are from Mongolia", is that proven by any scientific facts??
    Of course.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(Y-DNA)

    Haplogroup N is a descendant haplogroup of Haplogroup NO, and is believed to have first appeared in Southeast Asia approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years ago, during the Ice Age.

    But we do know Russians have some mongol ancestry
    http://books.google.com/books?id=kPw...ssians&f=false
    Lame

    Don't forget Kalmyks from mongolia intermarrying with Russians for centuries...
    Very lame
    Last edited by Hors; 09-29-2009 at 08:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hors View Post
    Of course.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(Y-DNA)

    Haplogroup N is a descendant haplogroup of Haplogroup NO, and is believed to have first appeared in Southeast Asia approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years ago, during the Ice Age.
    Lame. Extremely lame. Getting desperate?

    20,000 years ago, there simply were no "mongoloids". Mongoloids have evolved the last 10,000 years or later because of admixture, climate, nutrition e.t.c.
    And if there were, then R1a is also a truly mongoloid haplogroup since it also appeared in Asia first. Anyhow, a haplogroup has nothing to do with phenotype.
    Why are Mongolians, Kazakhs, Khotons etc loaded with "aryan" R1a but still look clearly mongoloid??? When the hell will you learn?

    I know you try to project that N1c would be a mongoloid marker, which is extremely unlikely to say the least. If it was, Russians would be far more mongoloid than any other people in Europe (but Russia is not Europe, we have established that already and everyone agrees) since Russians are loaded with N1c, N1b e.t.c. But isn't that a GIANT contradiction that exactly the Russians that carry N1c and are of Baltic/Finnic descent are the blondest, the whitest and the most nordic looking of all Russians??

    Anyhow, the men carrying haplogroup N1c entered Europe (Russia first) 12-14 000 years ago, which is one hell of a long time ago, dont you think? There is just no way N1C would be a "mongoloid" haplogroup, because it is spread in northern European populations that are the ancient genetical remains of truly European descent.

    Anyway, it's a shame that such a fine haplotype as N1c, which clearly is the marker of proud and dignified northern Europeans, is being discussed in a thread dedicated to a serious shame, alcoholist Russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotörheadRememberMe View Post
    Lame. Extremely lame. Getting desperate?
    Sure. You're getting desperate.

    20,000 years ago, there simply were no "mongoloids". Mongoloids have evolved the last 10,000 years or later because of admixture, climate, nutrition e.t.c.
    No. According to the latest Finnish theory it evolved in the last 5 years. Funny you're not aware of this yet another tremendous achievement of Finnish science.


    And if there were, then R1a is also a truly mongoloid haplogroup since it also appeared in Asia first.
    Even if it was Asia, they were no Mongoloids around by that time.

    Anyhow, a haplogroup has nothing to do with phenotype.
    blahblahblah

    Why are Mongolians, Kazakhs, Khotons etc loaded with "aryan" R1a but still look clearly mongoloid??? When the hell will you learn?
    A lot of Kazakhs look partially/largely Europeoid. Some Mongols show Europeoid admixture. That's because of assimilation of Scythians and some other Europeoid groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hors View Post
    Sure. You're getting desperate.
    I'm having so much fun. On your expense.

    blahblahblah

    Finally you are making sense.

    A lot of Kazakhs look partially/largely Europeoid. Some Mongols show Europeoid admixture. That's because of assimilation of Scythians and some other Europeoid groups
    !!

    BROHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! "Ooooh, Look at me! I'm so Europoid I carry R1a!"

    "Not as Slavopoid as we are!!"

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    I was not classified a "mongoloid" where posting pitctures here.
    It's never too early to start beefing up your obituary.

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    How many of these ''anti Russian/anti Finn kind of threads do we already have? Damn. I believe this must be the 150th!
    Last edited by Laudanum; 09-30-2009 at 12:13 PM.

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