Who has more Ancient Greek ancestry -- modern mainland Greeks, or eastern Sicilians and Calabrese?

[Scholarios]

Since both my parents are Greeks, I have more "Greek ancestry" than any Italian. As far as the other stuff, I have no idea. I used to think I knew, but if you have been around the message boards long enough you realize that the genetic opinion trends change quite a lot. If I was like 19 again and we had 23andme back then I would probably buy in as well though.

[ABest]

Well, one needs to define what "Greek" means first.

Before the Greek language formed, there were pre-Greek people living in Greece. Those people interacted with Proto-Indo-Europeans entering the Balkans (whether PIEs entered from Turkey or the North is another story). The Pre-Greek language(s) blended with the PIE language to form Greek.

Now, the majority of Greek people have always been E1b1b1 and J2 people (these haplogroups represent the native pre-Greek element) with an R1b and an R1a element which represents PIEs or other population movements that occurred throughout Europe (and parts of Asia).

Also, it is important to remember that E1b1b1 peaks in Albania and not in Greece, while J2 is found at high frequencies throughout the Balkans. R1b and R1a is also found at noticeable levels throughout the Balkans, including the Greek world. This pattern obviously shows that all Balkanites are very similar genetically.

In other words, mainland Greeks have not exactly distanced themselves genetically from ancient Greeks by mixing with other Balkan populations. The only valid argument would be that they distanced themselves genetically from ancient Greeks by mixing with invading Slavs, but then again, the Slavs did not really have a significant genetic impact anywhere in the Balkans.

So, saying that Southern Italians/Sicilians are significantly more Greek than mainland Greeks is not exactly an accurate statement.

[Mikel83]

so do you mean that modern greeks got few mix with turkey?

and have you ever hearth about dori population invasion, so greek of Mykenes is a thing , greek of Socrates is totally other thing.
It makes not sense this geenralization.

[wvwvw]

Also, it is important to remember that E1b1b1 peaks in Albania and not in Greece, while J2 is found at high frequencies throughout the Balkans. R1b and R1a is also found at noticeable levels throughout the Balkans, including the Greek world. This pattern obviously shows that all Balkanites are very similar genetically.

On the other hand E-V13 is more diverse in Greeks than in Albanians. It is also very frequent and old in Peloponnese whereas Albanian E-V13 seems much younger..

[wvwvw]

so do you mean that modern greeks got few mix with turkey?

and have you ever hearth about dori population invasion, so greek of Mykenes is a thing , greek of Socrates is totally other thing.
It makes not sense this geenralization.

Turks mixed with Northern Italians

[ABest]

On the other hand E-V13 is more diverse in Greeks than in Albanians. It is also very frequent and old in Peloponnese whereas Albanian E-V13 seems much younger..

Yes, I've read about that. Could that mean that E-V13 mutated in Albania?

[Mikel83]

So many stupid things together!!

What about Northern Greece? They got bulgarian and turkish influences, in Thessaloniki also many jews arrived from Spain....and families became mixed !!

Let´study!!

[wvwvw]

Yes, I've read about that. Could that mean that E-V13 mutated in Albania?

Could be..I basically have no idea

[wvwvw]

So many stupid things together!!

What about Northern Greece? They got bulgarian and turkish influences, in Thessaloniki also many jews arrived from Spain....and families became mixed !!

Let´study!!

Those families emigrated to Northern Italy and mixed with you

[Mikel83]

ahahha you are so stupidly racist and ignorant about Greece !!

you think that Akilles looked like current greeks, you are so absurd !