Does anyone have any information about Haplogroup Q (Q1b)?

[alfred.f.krupa]

Khazars/Huns probably

JEWISH VIRTUAL LIBRARY:

The Origin of the Khazars

The Khazars, of Turkic stock, originally nomadic, reached the Volga-Caucasus region from farther east at some time not easily determinable. They may have belonged to the empire of the Huns (fifth century C.E.) as the Akatzirs, mentioned by Priscus. This name is said to be equivalent to Aq-Khazar, i.e., White Khazars, as opposed to the Qara-Khazar or Black Khazars mentioned by al-Iṣṭakhrī (see below). The Khazars probably belonged to the West Turkish Empire (from 552 C.E.), and they may have marched with Sinjibū (Istämi), the first khāqān of the West Turks, against the Sassanid (Persian) fortress of Ṣul or Darband

In the time of Procopius (sixth century) the region immediately north of the Caucasus was held by the Sabirs, who are referred to by Jordanes as one of the two great branches of the Huns (Getica, ed. Mommsen, 63). Masʿūdī (tenth century C.E.) says that the Khazars are called in Turkish, Sabīr (Tanbīh, ed. Cairo, 1938, 72).

In 627 (Theophanes, Chronographia, ed. De Boor, 1 (1883), 315) "the Turks from the East whom they call Khazars" under their chief, Ziebel, passed the Caspian Gates (Darband) and joined Heraclius at the siege of Tiflis. In view of what is known of a dual kingship among the Khazars (see below), it would be natural to assume that Ziebel, described by Theophanes as "second in rank to the khāqān," was the subordinate Khazar king or beg. However, there are grounds for thinking that Ziebel stands for yabgu, a Turkish title – in the parallel Armenian account (Moses of Kalankatuk, trans. Dowsett, 87) he is called Jebu Khāqān – and that he is T'ung-ye-hu, Ye-hu Khagan of the Chinese sources, i.e., T'ung Yabgu, Yabgu Khāqān, the paramount ruler of the West Turks, who is represented as second in rank to "the King of the North, the lord of the whole world," i.e., the supreme khāqān of the Turks. In the narratives of Theophanes and Moses of Kalankatuk respectively, the Khazars are also called Turks and Huns. From 681 C.E., we hear much in the latter author of the Huns of Varach ʿ an (Warathān), north of Darband, who evidently formed part of a Khazar confederation or empire. Their prince Alp Ilutver was often in attendance on the Khazar khāqān and was converted to Christianity by an Albanian bishop.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...m/khazars.html

[alfred.f.krupa]

Q1b1a (L245) in Near East and Asia Minor-possible genetic legacy of Hun campaigns

In my own Y-DNA results at FTDNA I have noted a very few, but present non Jewish matches in Iran, Iraq, Turkey/Armenia.

I think that Encyclopedia Iranica provides interesting insight when it comes to the description of the "European Huns" activity in Near East:
.....

A direct confrontation between the Huns and the Persian empire first occurred twenty years after the beginning of the great migration. In the summer of 395, hordes of Huns crossed the Don near its estuary, turned southeast, and made their way through the Caucasus into Persia and the Roman provinces. While the plundering of the Roman areas is variously attested (for sources, see Maenchen-Helfen, pp. 38-42), only Priscus (frag. 11) and the Liber Calipharum (Chronicon miscellaneum 3.4; tr., pp. 106-7) report the invasion of the Persian empire. Under the leadership of Basikh and Koursikh, a detachment of Huns rode down the valleys of the Euphrates and Tigris to Ctesiphon. Upon the news that a Persian army was marching towards them, the Huns turned back; but they were eventually caught. The Persians then managed to kill some of the Huns, to take almost their entire booty from them, and allegedly to free 18,000 prisoners. The rest of the Huns troops made their way back into the steppe over the Darband pass. This inroad into Persia was remembered by the Romans and the Huns more than fifty years later: when Priscus was staying at Attila’s court in 449 C.E., he heard from the Western Roman envoy Romulus that the king was planning a campaign against Persia, which was to be carried out on the route previously taken by Basikh and Koursikh (Priscus, frag. 11). Attila’s death in 453 C.E. saved the Sasanians from an armed encounter with the Huns while they were at the height of their military power.
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A tribe which soon after 500 C.E. invaded northern Iran and was simply called “Huns” (Ounnoi) by Procopius (Bella 1.8) might be identified with the Sabires themselves, who from then on participated in the Persian-Byzantine wars for several decades, siding alternately with the Persians and the Eastern Romans. In the conflicts of the mid-6th century, both warring parties were supported by Sabire detachments. After having fought on the Persian side in 573 C.E., the Sabires subjected themselves a year later to the Eastern Roman emperor and were settled in the Byzantine part of Armenia (Moravcsik, I, p. 68).

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/huns

[alfred.f.krupa]

"The Cambridge History of Early Inner Asia" expands previous information with the fact that Hun Army in 395-396 (up to perhaps even 398) (THE GREAT HUN RAID) under leadership of BASIKH and KOURSIKH (first known by names Hun arkhontes-high ranking military commander, grand prince, lord, monarch) also Armenia, Syria, Palestine (!) and Northern Mesopotamia.

http://librarum.org/book/38133/192

[Anglojew]

JEWISH VIRTUAL LIBRARY:

The Origin of the Khazars

The Khazars, of Turkic stock, originally nomadic, reached the Volga-Caucasus region from farther east at some time not easily determinable. They may have belonged to the empire of the Huns (fifth century C.E.) as the Akatzirs, mentioned by Priscus. This name is said to be equivalent to Aq-Khazar, i.e., White Khazars, as opposed to the Qara-Khazar or Black Khazars mentioned by al-Iṣṭakhrī (see below). The Khazars probably belonged to the West Turkish Empire (from 552 C.E.), and they may have marched with Sinjibū (Istämi), the first khāqān of the West Turks, against the Sassanid (Persian) fortress of Ṣul or Darband

In the time of Procopius (sixth century) the region immediately north of the Caucasus was held by the Sabirs, who are referred to by Jordanes as one of the two great branches of the Huns (Getica, ed. Mommsen, 63). Masʿūdī (tenth century C.E.) says that the Khazars are called in Turkish, Sabīr (Tanbīh, ed. Cairo, 1938, 72).

In 627 (Theophanes, Chronographia, ed. De Boor, 1 (1883), 315) "the Turks from the East whom they call Khazars" under their chief, Ziebel, passed the Caspian Gates (Darband) and joined Heraclius at the siege of Tiflis. In view of what is known of a dual kingship among the Khazars (see below), it would be natural to assume that Ziebel, described by Theophanes as "second in rank to the khāqān," was the subordinate Khazar king or beg. However, there are grounds for thinking that Ziebel stands for yabgu, a Turkish title – in the parallel Armenian account (Moses of Kalankatuk, trans. Dowsett, 87) he is called Jebu Khāqān – and that he is T'ung-ye-hu, Ye-hu Khagan of the Chinese sources, i.e., T'ung Yabgu, Yabgu Khāqān, the paramount ruler of the West Turks, who is represented as second in rank to "the King of the North, the lord of the whole world," i.e., the supreme khāqān of the Turks. In the narratives of Theophanes and Moses of Kalankatuk respectively, the Khazars are also called Turks and Huns. From 681 C.E., we hear much in the latter author of the Huns of Varach ʿ an (Warathān), north of Darband, who evidently formed part of a Khazar confederation or empire. Their prince Alp Ilutver was often in attendance on the Khazar khāqān and was converted to Christianity by an Albanian bishop.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...m/khazars.html

Are you actually Alfred Krupa? Welcome to the forum my long lost cousin, I've read a lot of your research.

I think this makes a lot of sense and explains the links between our haplogroup and the Khazars, Huns AND Bulgars.

[Anglojew]

"The Cambridge History of Early Inner Asia" expands previous information with the fact that Hun Army in 395-396 (up to perhaps even 398) (THE GREAT HUN RAID) under leadership of BASIKH and KOURSIKH (first known by names Hun arkhontes-high ranking military commander, grand prince, lord, monarch) also Armenia, Syria, Palestine (!) and Northern Mesopotamia.

http://librarum.org/book/38133/192

There's almost an exact overlap between Q1b in Europe and the Huns (and Khazars):





The northern Q's are mostly Q1a.

[Longbowman]

Look, here's the main and kind of insurmountable problem with associating Q1b with Khazars: it appears in non-AJ Levantines at approximately the same frequency.

[Anglojew]

Look, here's the main and kind of insurmountable problem with associating Q1b with Khazars: it appears in non-AJ Levantines at approximately the same frequency.

Yes, it's more likely that this could be explained via the Hunnic (or Scythian) attacks on ancient Judea/Palestine, as outlined above by the Baron Krupa. There could be multiple sources of Q, including Khazars later, also.

[StonyArabia]

Look, here's the main and kind of insurmountable problem with associating Q1b with Khazars: it appears in non-AJ Levantines at approximately the same frequency.

Due to Seljuks

[Anglojew]

Due to Seljuks

Its proven to pre-date the Seljuks (studies on Assyrian Qs show).

[StonyArabia]

Its proven to pre-date the Seljuks (studies on Assyrian Qs show).

It would be interesting to see where it came from.