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    Well then how do you explain the Flynn Effect where there is the trend of rising IQ scores over time?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    Well then how do you explain the Flynn Effect where there is the trend of rising IQ scores over time?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
    Better nutrition and liviing conditions, just like the rising in height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enflamme View Post
    Intelligence is something other than knowledge.

    Example: I know people who have had difficulties in school (difficulties reading, no real culture, difficulty for mathematics) and some have passed the IQ test: for those I know, they have between 100 and 108 of IQ .

    I know a person who was in SEGPA (special class for people with academic difficulties) and who got 112 of IQ; he does not really have a big "culture", he does not really read often, and so on.

    The IQ test is not based on your knowledge, but on logic.

    If you've read a lot of books, that you know a lot of things does not mean you'll have high IQ, like dont reading books and having no a big culture, do not have a hight level in mathematics, misunderstand the grammar rules indicate that you have a low IQ.

    So you have to separate things.
    I think your right, IQ tests are about pure logics, not raw intelligence.
    If you were familiar with developmental toys, like this, as a toddler...



    ...then you are more likely to get higher IQ scores later, but it won't make you the new Albert Einstein.

    As for PISA test, it's just a method for evaluating teaching methods at school.
    Some Nordic countries value non-authoritarian, intuitive learning, creativity, self-fulfilment, personal growth and understanding, whilst old academic countries like France insist too much on by-the-book teaching methods, off-by-heart learning and poetry recital (a waste of time) and punishment in case of failure. Nothing good can come out of that system.

    As for Eas-Asian countries, they are not good examples to follow. Their students are known for working hard from dawn to dusk with almost no free time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enflamme View Post
    Intelligence is something other than knowledge.

    Example: I know people who have had difficulties in school (difficulties reading, no real culture, difficulty for mathematics) and some have passed the IQ test: for those I know, they have between 100 and 108 of IQ .

    I know a person who was in SEGPA (special class for people with academic difficulties) and who got 112 of IQ; he does not really have a big "culture", he does not really read often, and so on.

    The IQ test is not based on your knowledge, but on logic.

    If you've read a lot of books, that you know a lot of things does not mean you'll have high IQ, like dont reading books and having no a big culture, do not have a hight level in mathematics, misunderstand the grammar rules indicate that you have a low IQ.

    So you have to separate things.
    I think you're right, IQ tests are about pure logics, not raw intelligence.
    If you were familiar with developmental toys, like this, as a toddler...



    ...then you are more likely to get higher IQ scores later, but it won't make you the new Albert Einstein.

    As for PISA test, it's just a method for evaluating teaching methods at school.
    Some Nordic countries value non-authoritarian, intuitive learning, creativity, self-fulfilment, personal growth and understanding, whilst old academic countries like France insist too much on by-the-book teaching methods, off-by-heart learning and poetry recital (science with no conscience; a waste of time) and punishment in case of failure. Nothing good can come out of that system.

    As for Eas-Asian countries, they are not good examples to follow. Their students are known for working hard from dawn to dusk with almost no free time.
    Last edited by Melki; 07-17-2017 at 03:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melki View Post
    I think your right, IQ tests are about pure logics, not raw intelligence.
    If you were familiar with developmental toys, like this, as a toddler...





    ...then you are more likely to get higher IQ scores later, but it won't make you the new Albert Einstein.

    As for PISA test, it's just a method for evaluating teaching methods at school.
    Some Nordic countries value non-authoritarian, intuitive learning, creativity, self-fulfilment, personal growth and understanding, whilst old academic countries like France insist too much on by-the-book teaching methods, off-by-heart learning and poetry recital (a waste of time) and punishment in case of failure. Nothing good can come out of that system.

    As for Eas-Asian countries, they are not good examples to follow. Their students are known for working hard from dawn to dusk with almost no free time.
    If you have a QI of 100 does not mean that you will know a lot of things, you can retain a lot of information, etc. We also have to work our brain...

    People are totally stupid if they think that having an IQ of 100 will make you a genius, a guy who as soon as he reads a book on a rather complicated subject, he will understand everything!

    Having an IQ of 100 could help you understand some things, some concepts but you still have to "work" your memory as much as your brain.

    If you have a duty to fill and you begin to work, your IQ of 100 is not going to make you understand everything at once in a short time ... it does not work as in the movie "Limitless" where when the guy swallows A pill, he understands everything, he manages to memorize things better, to remember things he has read before and to understand, and so on.



    J'écris en français car la flemmardise me prend :

    L'intelligence est la logique. L'intelligence permet de comprendre certaines choses, de comprendre certains concepts, mais cela fait pas de toi un génie, en tout cas à un certain niveau (un QI de 100 par exemple, ne va pas faire de toi un génie, surtout si tu ne veux rien apprendre). Et la mémorisation, par exemple, ne fait pas partie de l'intelligence ... tu pourrais avoir un QI de 60 et avoir une mémoire extraordinaire ; les deux doivent être séparés. Avoir des problèmes de mémoires peut aussi te bloquer dans l'apprentissage, pour autant cela ne démontre pas que tu as un faible QI, puisque la mémoire n'est pas liée à l'intelligence comme j'ai dit.

    D'ailleurs, qu'est-ce que la connaissance? Acquérir une connaissance c'est déjà avoir compris réellement les informations exposées: si tu te souviens d'un livre tu as lu il y a cinq jours, cela ne veut pas dire que tu l'as compris ! J'ai lu un livre de Montesquieu il y a quelque temps, je me souviens de certains passages que je pourrais te citer, mais je n'ai acquis aucune connaissance en rapport avec ce qui est dit dans ce livre! Je n'ai pas compris le livre en globalité (le sujet du livre). En gros, je l'ai lu (le premier volume), j'ai compris certains passages mais je n'ai pas compris l'essence du livre, ce que l'auteur souhaite "m'enseigner".

    C'est certainement mal expliqué, mais peu importe.
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