The Irish are closer to Germans or to Iberians?

[Grace O'Malley]

Interesting.

It is fascinating. Anyway there is a huge paper on Bell Beaker that people are waiting for. There are over 200 genomes and it should answer a lot of questions and who these people were.

Apparently Central Bell Beaker is genetically different than early Bell Beaker from Iberia so this paper will hopefully answer a lot of questions. Whenever they release it that is.

[Sekarotuinen]

It is fascinating. Anyway there is a huge paper on Bell Beaker that people are waiting for. There are over 200 genomes and it should answer a lot of questions and who these people were.

Apparently Central Bell Beaker is genetically different than early Bell Beaker from Iberia so this paper will hopefully answer a lot of questions. Whenever they release it that is.

I will definitely read it. I had always assumed the celts had completely displaced the earlier groups, and they left very little genetic impact.

[Grace O'Malley]

I will definitely read it. I had always assumed the celts had completely displaced the earlier groups, and they left very little genetic impact.

The Celts grew out of Bell Beaker.

[Cristiano viejo]

Atlantid comes from the internet, and any mentions of it by anthropologist never mentioned Iberians being of the type. Iberians were pretty much always put into the category of mainly atlanto-med, small med, ibero-insular or south med. Never atlantid. I don't care what cities were founded by celts in Spain, today modern Spaniards are genetically( and most likely culturally) far away from modern and ancient celts.

-What anthropologists said 100 years ago has little or nothing to do with reality.
-Atlantid and Atlanto-Med obviously are related phenotypes for start with.
-Genetically Spanish are mostly r1b, so yes, we are very related to Celts.
-You know absolutely nothing about Spain (specially Central-North Spain); music, festivals, culture, toponyms, archaeological remains, names, cities, villages etc are Celtic here.

Your problem is that you associate Celts with Ireland and we give a fuck about Irish and Ireland, boy.
Atlantic Facade my ass.

theres no irish people on this forum, its fully of southern europeans who likes to claims everyone but they are ashamed of their real descent/people like ariana grande, antonio banderas, cristiano ronaldo etc

Who is ashamed of Antonio Banderas, you retarded mulatto?
Stop talking for us, gay.

[Fantomas]

Celts came to the Isles as groups of celts from Gaul and the Northern Iberian penninsula were forced north, so I would assume they look more like Iberians.

We don't know actual route of proto-Celtic migrations, but you're right, Gaul, Iberia and Brit Isles were directly linked during couple of thousands of years since Megalithic period. Read works of J.Coch, including this lection of Nov.2016 from Grace O'Malley link





John Koch

After reviewing some of the earliest linguistic evidence from the
Iberian Peninsula—viewing this from my accustomed perspective based in
the early Insular Celtic languages and, to a lesser extent, Gaulish—I have
concluded that there is also case to be made from the philological side in
favour of an origin of the Celtic languages in the Atlantic west

[Hamlet]

It's obviously Germans, you'd have to be an idiot to say Iberians.

[Fantomas]

-What anthropologists said 100 years ago has little or nothing to do with reality.

Actually there's no contradiction at this point even according to different anthropologists. The only problem they're depended on the wrong archaeological hypothezies about Celtic and Indo-European migrations.

-Atlantid and Atlanto-Med obviously are related phenotypes for start with.

Moreover, even Nord-Atlantids and Keltic-Nordid types connected with gracile west Mediterranids and can have common origin, the only difference is pigmentation, but it's acquirable feature so not very important

[Grace O'Malley]

Actually there's no contradiction at this point even according to different anthropologists. The only problem they're depended on the wrong archaeological hypothezies about Celtic and Indo-European migrations.


Moreover, even Nord-Atlantids and Keltic-Nordid types connected with gracile west Mediterranids and can have common origin, the only difference is pigmentation, but it's acquirable feature so not very important

Genetics is a far better way of connecting populations as has been discussed in the past. Anthropology is outdated and is not used by any scientists in this day and age. We have genetics now.

Even Koch in the video I posted has refined his theories because of the latest genetics.

[Grace O'Malley]

We don't know actual route of proto-Celtic migrations, but you're right, Gaul, Iberia and Brit Isles were directly linked during couple of thousands of years since Megalithic period. Read works of J.Coch, including this lection of Nov.2016 from Grace O'Malley link





John Koch

After reviewing some of the earliest linguistic evidence from the
Iberian Peninsula—viewing this from my accustomed perspective based in
the early Insular Celtic languages and, to a lesser extent, Gaulish—I have
concluded that there is also case to be made from the philological side in
favour of an origin of the Celtic languages in the Atlantic west

You also forgot 1 & 2 of the conclusions which I found particularly interesting. You have to read all the conclusions together because 1 & 2 are the main points and have a bearing on 3 & 4.

He is saying it makes more sense regarding the myths and language having continuity from this Final Neolithic / Early Bronze Age when R1b and Rathlin came to Ireland than believing Goidelic and Brythonic were brought in by later people.



Koch appears now to be saying that Goidelic and Brythonic developed from Indo-European in-situ in Ireland / Britain. I'm not really sure if I agree with him on that.

[The Blade]

Out of these - to Germans, in my opinion.