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And Grece was and is a democracy? Turkey is more secular than you, and without any imperialistic ambitions, and that is telliong something

You can bet we are far more democratic and secular than Turkey, unless you call this 'secular':

Catholic Priest stabbed after Sunday mass in Turkey
http://www.theguardian.com/world/200....international

Women protest against Hijab ban in Turkey
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09...nst-hijab-ban/

Polygamy widespread in Turkey, study shows
http://www.euractiv.com/enlargement/...dy-news-501454

Judge shot dead in Turkish court over ban on headscarves
A Turkish lawyer shouting: "I am a soldier of Allah," opened fire in the country's top administrative court yesterday, killing one judge and injuring four others.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...ey.helenasmith

Attack on Christians in Turkey: Three Killed at Bible Publishing Firm
Attackers in Turkey have murdered three employees of a Christian publishing company including one German. The victims had their throats cut. Christian priests have been attacked on several occasions in Turkey over the past year.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-478074.html

Recent attacks on Christian communities in Turkey
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/...WQ&reference=E...
7 Φεβ 2013 - In recent years, Christians have repeatedly suffered attack in Turkey. Just a few days ago, 13 suspects were apprehended on suspicion of ...

Christian churches attacked in Turkey
http://armenpress.am/eng/news/717094/

As far as imperialistic ambitions are concerned you may want to take a look at the List of United Nations Security Council resolutions concerning Cyprus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...cerning_Cyprus

Turkey, the bully of East Mediterranean, has declared a casus-belli against Greece, a fellow NATO member. Correspondents of http://venitism.blogspot.com report that Turkey, the casus-belli-bully, is the world’s largest prison of journalists, bloggers, and generals. Erdogan has outlined his course declaring democracy is a streetcar. When you come to your stop, you get off. His dictatorial mentality can already be seen in such steps as challenging the independent judiciary, fostering nonsensical conspiracy theories to jail his opponents, imprisoning countless journalists, and issuing preposterous fines against unfriendly media companies.
http://beforeitsnews.com/internation...n-2458728.html

The EU General Affairs Council has called on Turkey to avoid threats or actions that turn against a member states - See more at: http://www.parikiaki.com/2011/12/eu-....IY3z1WA5.dpuf

Turkey's territorial claims on Thrace, the Aegean islands and Cyprus are well known.

Not to mention Turkey's assymentrical war against Greece:

Greek politicians reacted angrily on Monday following the admission by former Turkish Prime Minister Mesut Yilmaz that Turkish secret agents intentionally started forest fires in Greece in the 1990s as part of state-sponsored sabotage.


Greek politicians reacted angrily on Monday following the admission by former Turkish Prime Minister Mesut Yilmaz that Turkish secret agents intentionally started forest fires in Greece in the 1990s as part of state-sponsored sabotage.

The claims are not new and were common knowledge on the islands of the eastern Aegean which were particularly hard hit by wildfires in the 1990s. But Yilmaz’s comments -- part of an interview published in the Turkish daily newspaper Birgun over the weekend -- are the first admission by an official source that Ankara was funding subversive activities in Greece.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w...12/2011_419985

DESTABILIZATION THROUGH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IN GREECE

Greece over the past decade has become a source country concerning the entrance of an unspecified amount of illegal immigrants, mostly from Asian and African states, that enter mainly through the Greek-Turkish borders and with the complicity or indifference of the authorities of the neighbouring country, despite the bilateral and international agreements that have been sealed for this matter.

Illegal immigration is actually an asymmetrical threat aimed at destabilizing the Greek state and it is of critical interest to view it under the prism of Ankara’s stance concerning Greece’s role in the region. In simple terms Turkey uses the masses of desperate people being gathered in its territory in order to inflict great losses in the Greek economy and alter its ethnic and social profile. The latest information that have verified the above writings are videos and images depicting the Turkish Coast Guard deploring immigrants in the Greek Islands; that were shown in Greek national TV without any denial from the other side.

Currently it can be safely estimated that there are 1 million illegal immigrants “in transit” from Turkey to Europe and many of them will end up in Greece and allocate themselves in the newly founded ghettos in the centre of Athens, in the port of Patras or in various locations in the countryside, thus adding up to the 2.5 million illegal aliens already present in Greece.

Greece and Turkey had signed a bilateral agreement concerning organized crime and illegal immigration (17/12/2005), although it has not been practically put into action and most importantly Athens already accuses the other side that it does not conform at all in the obligations written in the official documents, such as re-acceptance of expelled people from Greece that had left previously the Turkish coastline.

http://www.rieas.gr/research-areas/i...ation/812.html

[Stears]

Actually, Hitler's Third Reich was an attempt at pan-Germanic unity. Not sure about the Romance peoples, you could have a point there.

Pan-Slavism actually grew out of the desire of Slavic speaking peoples to throw off foreign domination ie., those under Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman rule.

Perhaps you confused the pan-german and pan-germanic terms.

[Petros Houhoulis]

And you got into bed with Fundamentalist Jihadists.

Congratulations, you won the lottery of death...

We all die in case you didnt know

That's what I'm telling you. Since you resigned to the fact that "we all die in the end" you should stop bitching about the Srebrenica massacre. From point of view, We all live until we die... And contrary to you, our life is meaningful too.

[RandoBloom]

That's what I'm telling you. Since you resigned to the fact that "we all die in the end" you should stop bitching about the Srebrenica massacre. From point of view, We all live until we die... And contrary to you, our life is meaningful too.

A man needs to pay for taking someones life, even though we all die in the end. As such I am not "bitching" but suporting justice

[Petros Houhoulis]

And Grece was and is a democracy? Turkey is more secular than you, and without any imperialistic ambitions, and that is telliong something
In the meantime I will be reporting your posts, because, as much as I enjoy seeing you butthurt, I enjoy even more to press the report button. Got that little greek?

Greece has always been more democratic than Turkey. I see the secularisation of Turkey in their continuous efforts to ban honor crimes, the hijab in universities an the stupid ideas of rrrDOGan, your most beloved idiot. Unfortunately our own priests and political leaders are not so much retarded and we do not need to take specific measures to prevent religious fundamentalism in Greece, because we don't have any such thing. We do not kill our daughters if they fall in love or have kids without our permission nor do we impose upon them to dress like garbage bins.

If Turkey has no imperialistic ambitions, then what the fuck is Neo-Ottomanism, your most beloved ideology where Bosnia shall become once again a region of the Ottoman empire and you shall be licking rrrDOGans' arse as usual?

You can press the report button a million times. Drawing live tried that too when I suggested that someday he should be turned into soap. Nobody reacted because nobody believes that Drawing live would be worse off as soap than as the subhuman that he is today.

[Petros Houhoulis]

The problems with slavs started with the racist ideology of panslavism. They believed in the fantasy slavic-race, and "common slavic ancient forefathers. Interestingly the germanic people didn't want to build an united germanic country (united England sweden germany denmark austria switzerland nederland norway etc...) the neolatins did'nt want united neo-latinia country (united france italy portugal and spain. )

Ironically , the slavs are genetically the most heterogenous and mixed entity. Slavic race )))))) a good joke.

The problem is the "Asian" strand that you suggested in your earlier post. Europe is the cradle of the world because of its' extensive coastline and its' broken terrain, allowing no single ruler to dominate over vast expanses of territory as the Russians did between Europe and Asia and many others in the same place and elsewhere.

Greece was the cradle of the Western civilization because it is even more diverse than the average European country, and it did not allow any empire to dominate over it for a very long time unlike Ancient Egypt, Persia, even the Macedonian empire failed to dominate Greece. When Rome finally managed to conquer Greece, it was already Republican, because of the influence of the Greek democracy upon it.

Later the Republic was altered into an imperium and Rome started its' slow descend to oblivion, and all of the West followed suit until they rediscovered the principles of enlightenment during the Renaissance. Still, Europe was able to take advantage of the Greek past because it remained a diverse place. The Arabs on the other hand, although they inherited the knowledge of Aristotle and others, didn't take a single lesson in democracy and the Arab world remains fundamentally undemocratic, not because they haven't heard of democracy, but because it is very difficult to apply it there. Even the Russians know of what democracy is, but they are not competent with it. The Chinese: One of the same and worse. The common problem for all of them is a combination of inauspicious heritage and restrictive geography.

In general it doesn't matter who lives in a given territory. Even if others lived in the land of the Slavs, they would still face the same problems. In Western Europe the same rule applies: No king or emperor could possibly unify all of the Germanic lands from Britain to Germany and Scandinavia because of the diversity of the terrain. Not that people didn't try, but it proved impossible for all of them. The Brits created one of the largest empires of the world but they never managed to conquer Germany. Hitler ruled nearly all of Europe and more than half of the Slavic world but less than half of the Germanic world. They came to realize that it's not possible...

[Petros Houhoulis]

A man needs to pay for taking someones life, even though we all die in the end. As such I am not "bitching" but suporting justice

Basically you are an idiot who cannot bring a reasonable argument at the table, and when all else fails you resort at making stupid statements like "we all die in the end" as if we need you inform us of that. Of course you are more stupid than the Hungarians, and they joined me at trying to explain it to you, but you are dead from the neck upwards and you couldn't feel it if the whole of the Apricity started shitting on you on an everyday basis as I do.

[Stears]

The problem is the "Asian" strand that you suggested in your earlier post. Europe is the cradle of the world because of its' extensive coastline and its' broken terrain, allowing no single ruler to dominate over vast expanses of territory as the Russians did between Europe and Asia and many others in the same place and elsewhere.

Greece was the cradle of the Western civilization because it is even more diverse than the average European country, and it did not allow any empire to dominate over it for a very long time unlike Ancient Egypt, Persia, even the Macedonian empire failed to dominate Greece. When Rome finally managed to conquer Greece, it was already Republican, because of the influence of the Greek democracy upon it.

Later the Republic was altered into an imperium and Rome started its' slow descend to oblivion, and all of the West followed suit until they rediscovered the principles of enlightenment during the Renaissance. Still, Europe was able to take advantage of the Greek past because it remained a diverse place. The Arabs on the other hand, although they inherited the knowledge of Aristotle and others, didn't take a single lesson in democracy and the Arab world remains fundamentally undemocratic, not because they haven't heard of democracy, but because it is very difficult to apply it there. Even the Russians know of what democracy is, but they are not competent with it. The Chinese: One of the same and worse. The common problem for all of them is a combination of inauspicious heritage and restrictive geography.

In general it doesn't matter who lives in a given territory. Even if others lived in the land of the Slavs, they would still face the same problems. In Western Europe the same rule applies: No king or emperor could possibly unify all of the Germanic lands from Britain to Germany and Scandinavia because of the diversity of the terrain. Not that people didn't try, but it proved impossible for all of them. The Brits created one of the largest empires of the world but they never managed to conquer Germany. Hitler ruled nearly all of Europe and more than half of the Slavic world but less than half of the Germanic world. They came to realize that it's not possible...

Ancient Greece was the cradle of western civilisation. Eastern Roman Empire lasted until the death of Justinian I. After the death of Justinian, it transformed into so-called Greek Empire, the latin language and latin rite churches in Constantinople was pursued by the state. There was a strong identity conversion after the death of Justinian. The originally western type of civilisation got a strong eastern (iranian and later arabic) influence in fine arts and architecture and in governmental/ruling forms. The modern democracy of the western world did not based on ancient greek examples and ideas.

About the orthodox slavic countries: unlike the byzantine empire, the orthodox slavic countries were very poor backward places, even more backward than islamic world.

The cultural the societal-system and the economical civilizational (technological) differences between Orthodox slavic countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.


MEMENTO:
Western things which were not exist in orthodox world:

Medieval appearance of parliaments (the dietal-system), self-government status of big royal/imperial cities, medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of secular intellectuals, Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,the knight-culture and the effects of crusades in the Holy Land, medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing, The medieval western theatre: Mystery or cycle plays and morality passion plays, The architecture and fine-arts: Romanesque Gothic and Renaissance styles.

The Orthodox church wanted to preserve its exclusivity in all sphere of cultural and intellectual life. Therefore secular intellectuals did not existed in orthodox world until the 18th century (in Russian Empire) and until the 19th century in Balkanian territories.


The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightement did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.

Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century.

[Hellenas]

He doesn't have a brain. Not unusual... You can find the species all over the Balkans and beyond...

Dear bastard Bulgar, I quoted what some Hellenists claim in Greece, nothing it's mine... you stupid moron, mpastarde boulgare, go to hell.