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Thread: Guns: Should ordinary citizens have them?

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    Default Guns: Should ordinary citizens have them?

    Should any citizen have access to firearms? And if so, why? To what end?


    Citizens and Citizenesses of the Soviet Union! Today, at four o'clock in the morning, without addressing any grievances to the Soviet Union, without declaration of war, German forces fell on our country, attacked our frontiers in many places and bombed our cities...an act of treachery unprecedented in the history of civilized nations...The Red Army and the whole nation will wage a victorious Patriotic War for our beloved country, for honour, for liberty...Our cause is just. The enemy will be beaten. Victory will be ours.

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    Of course. Not only to protect them against criminals but more so against their own government. An armed citizen is a free citizen- an unarmed man a serf.
    Of course people that have been convicted of felony's should not be allowed to have guns but the rest of the population should have be able to buy, sell, store and possess firearms.
    Quel autre pays ou lon puisse jouir dune libert si entire
    (In welk ander land kan men genieten van een zo totale vrijheid)
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    I believe standard citizens should have firearms. I am also for certain felons being banned from firearm ownership (murderers, rapists, grand thief's, etc...). Firearms in citizen hands are necessary for self defense and for protection against the federal government in the case that the federal government decides to unleash the national military on the people.

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    I can't speak about the rest of the world.

    In Greece, if ordinary citizens had them (Gods forbid), and given their temperament, impulsivity and Balkan "macho" attitude, then they'd manage to wipe each other out in less than two weeks, over road rage disputes.

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    I think it's irresponsible of a government to allow every nutjob and his cousin the right to have assault rifles and stuff like that. What are they going to use it for anyway? Columbine massacre anyone?

    Citizens and Citizenesses of the Soviet Union! Today, at four o'clock in the morning, without addressing any grievances to the Soviet Union, without declaration of war, German forces fell on our country, attacked our frontiers in many places and bombed our cities...an act of treachery unprecedented in the history of civilized nations...The Red Army and the whole nation will wage a victorious Patriotic War for our beloved country, for honour, for liberty...Our cause is just. The enemy will be beaten. Victory will be ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I think it's irresponsible of a government to allow every nutjob and his cousin the right to have assault rifles and stuff like that.
    Well at least in the Balkans it would mean the commence of Hutu/Tutsi Wars in no time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I think it's irresponsible of a government to allow every nutjob and his cousin the right to have assault rifles and stuff like that. What are they going to use it for anyway? Columbine massacre anyone?
    And what is the government going to use the monopoly of arms for ? Oppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawspeaker View Post
    And what is the government going to use the monopoly of arms for ? Oppression.
    They don't need guns to do that.

    Citizens and Citizenesses of the Soviet Union! Today, at four o'clock in the morning, without addressing any grievances to the Soviet Union, without declaration of war, German forces fell on our country, attacked our frontiers in many places and bombed our cities...an act of treachery unprecedented in the history of civilized nations...The Red Army and the whole nation will wage a victorious Patriotic War for our beloved country, for honour, for liberty...Our cause is just. The enemy will be beaten. Victory will be ours.

    -- Molotov, 22 June 1941 at the outset of Operation Barbarossa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    They don't need guns to do that.
    A population without guns make it a bloody lot easier. Like in the EU today.
    Quel autre pays ou lon puisse jouir dune libert si entire
    (In welk ander land kan men genieten van een zo totale vrijheid)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawspeaker View Post
    A population without guns make it a bloody lot easier. Like in the EU today.
    And then only the criminals who do not care about laws will have guns. The cities with the highest crime rates in the US, like NY, Baltimore, Chicago, ordinary law abiding citizens are not allowed to carry weapons to protect themselves. Hence the highest crime rate.

    Maybe you should start a poll like this: Should only criminals have guns?
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