3000 years ago, would the people of Italy have been lighter or darker than Italians today?

[Smeagol]

So what you mean is, the ruling classes were lighter types who moved from the north and brought the Italic languages, and they mixed with darker West Asian-like people that they encountered.

Yes, but the Roman patricians basically preserved the lighter type. We know this from classical sources, I have a thread about it.

[Sikeliot]

Edited it, I meant lighter for the North...

I'm confused. Which poll option would you pick? I reworded them to be more clear. I can change your vote if you'd like.

Yes, but the Roman patricians basically preserved the lighter type. We know this from classical sources, I have a thread about it.

When I see lighter central Italians, I assume they represent the "Roman" type especially since they are often sandy brown haired, blue eyed Dinaric types. Like Daniele De Rossi. Northern Italians were Gauls and so probably largely light, too.

I am undecided on whether I think people like Calabrese, Sicilians, etc. were lighter or darker. On one hand, Normans and other Germanic people have arrived within the past thousand years that likely brought more blonde and blue eyes than were there immediately before. But on the other hand, what did Sicily look like before the Phoenicians and Greeks? Were they largely West Asian looking Neolithic types (that would have looked like say, Assyrians), or light Italic types that were bred out by the Greeks?

[Shah-Jehan]

I'm confused. Which poll option would you pick? I reworded them to be more clear. I can change your vote if you'd like.

I meant they were darker before the intrusion of the Germanic tribes into Northern and Central Italy breaking up the Western Roman state...

[Smeagol]

Here, my thread.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ntine-Emperors

[Tropico]

Is anyone going to provide any anthropological evidence of their appearances from art or literature from then vs now or is this one of those threads where people give just opinions based on no evidence?

[Sikeliot]

I meant they were darker before the intrusion of the Germanic tribes into Northern and Central Italy breaking up the Western Roman state...

Ah ok that makes sense.

[Smeagol]

When I see lighter central Italians, I assume they represent the "Roman" type especially since they are often sandy brown haired, blue eyed Dinaric types. Like Daniele De Rossi. Northern Italians were Gauls and so probably largely light, too.

I agree.

I am undecided on whether I think people like Calabrese, Sicilians, etc. were lighter or darker. On one hand, Normans and other Germanic people have arrived within the past thousand years that likely brought more blonde and blue eyes than were there immediately before. But on the other hand, what did Sicily look like before the Phoenicians and Greeks? Were they largely West Asian looking Neolithic types (that would have looked like say, Assyrians), or light Italic types that were bred out by the Greeks?

I think Calabria, and Sicily probably stayed the same.

[Smeagol]

Is anyone going to provide any anthropological evidence of their appearances from art or literature from then vs now or is this one of those threads where people give just opinions based on no evidence?

Read my thread, it's all based on the ancient literature.

[Sikeliot]

I think Calabria, and Sicily probably stayed the same.

So therefore you think that Greeks, Phoenicians, Normans had limited impact and that those regions have remained virtually unchanged.

I suspect that Sicilians and Calabrese, although initially Italic in some areas, were Italic by language and had minor input of Italic blood but would have been mostly descended from the Neolithic peoples there before.

[Tropico]

Read my thread, it's all based on the ancient literature.

I will. Unfortunately youre one of a few who has any actual facts supported ideas.