Being the son of an immigrant, do you consider yourself to be 100% French?Originally Posted by Al-Frankawi
French citizenship [SPLIT from the username change thread]
Being the son of an immigrant, do you consider yourself to be 100% French?
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Al-Frankawi should change his username to Nounours!
Just teasing!
Of course, I'm totally French. I was born and grown here, my maternal language is French, my eduction is French, etc. I don't see where is the originality in me. I just know more about Italy than my average compatriot.
Parisians like me (with foreign roots) are even more French than 100% old stock provincials. We truly feel French, while the "pure" Breton/Gascon/Savoyard/etc will identify with his region first.
Last edited by Mesrine; 10-13-2009 at 11:52 PM.
HA! Like a Paki in London feels more "British" than the "old stock" Englishman who identifies with his county first.
Nounours will may be among the names considered.Al-Frankawi should change his username to Nounours!
LOL. So for you, a Paki in London is exactly like a Parisian of French-Italian (Italy being Romance of old Catholic culture, just like France) descent in France? Very pertinent comparison, man.
Your way of explaining your feelings of patriotism sounds much like the the only kind of patriotism that could be felt by a foreigner. It's not home-grown.LOL. So for you, a Paki in London is like a Parisian of French-Italian (Italian being Romance and Catholic, just like France) descent in France? Very pertinent comparison, man.
A comparison with a Paki in London is legitimate in this case despite the fact that you are half French and half Italian (if I am getting your background right). Any objection you might have to it is rather silly. You don't care about race, ethnicity, blood, religion, etcetera, remember? You do care about culture, but since you accept any other culture into France to be Frenchified, it hardly seems like much of anything to say that Italy also happens to be a Romance country.
Ridiculous statement. There is no such thing as a "home grown" French patriotic feeling. It has been imposed by centuries of Jacobinism, from Paris. The central power created modern France and also the French people, and in order to do so, it had to eradicate all local and regional cultures and languages.
BTW, I'm not even patriotic.
You're getting it wrong, I'm totally French. The provenience of my paternal family is irrelevant, really. I don't have half-French and half-Italian nationalities.A comparison with a Paki in London is legitimate in this case despite the fact that you are half French and half Italian (if I am getting your background right).
So your comparison is not only illegitimate, but it's also ridiculous.
I never expressed any objection to your "Londoner Paki", I asked you if you think a British Paki can be compared to me. Don't forget that you pretend to be a "European preservationist"* (LOL).Any objection you might have to it is rather silly. You don't care about race, ethnicity, blood, religion, etcetera, remember?
Assimilation is not about "Frenchifying" other cultures, but rather about destroying your original culture, in order to make it easier for you to absorb the French culture and become a real Frenchman.You do care about culture, but since you accept any other culture into France to be Frenchified
I don't think you understand Jacobinism, or modern nationalism. Too bad, because you can't understand the history of France after 1789.
You mean you don't see the differences between Italians and Pakistanis, the former being Romance Europeans, while the latter are South Asians? What a poor case of "European preservationist"** (re-LOL) you make, Soten.it hardly seems like much of anything to say that Italy also happens to be a Romance country.
* & **: You simply can't be a European preservationist, because you're American.
I'm quite as European as you are, Parisian, and I accept him as kin. So there. The world's not as simple as you'd like it to be, and reality will come and bite your mad Jacobinerie on the arse soon enough.
You're free to live in your own imaginary "white world", Mancunian.
Talking of reality, just watch a map of the world. The white man's countries are not united into a "European preservationist" empire. The world is not as simple as you'd like it to be. So if someone is mad and bitten on the arse by reality, it's you, and not in some hypothetic future, Osweo.The world's not as simple as you'd like it to be, and reality will come and bite your mad Jacobinerie on the arse soon enough.
Last edited by Mesrine; 10-14-2009 at 01:56 AM.
Who said I was a "European preservationist"? You're on this forum and you're not "European preservationist" (apparently this means racialist to you). I'm on the forum why does that make me a "European preservationist"?
I'm an American preservationist.
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