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    No it isn't. Britain is less French than people generally think. People go on about 1066 and the Norman influence, but the Normans were a small number of ruling class people, and they did not immigrate en masse to Britain at all. In fact I reckon they have a very small genetic impact, almost negligible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    No it isn't. Britain is less French than people generally think. People go on about 1066 and the Norman influence, but the Normans were a small number of ruling class people, and they did not immigrate en masse to Britain at all. In fact I reckon they have a very small genetic impact, almost negligible.
    Yes from a genetic point of view, the French influence is extremely small, but culturally and linguistically, they had a rather significant impact. True we can speak without many or any French or Latin based words if we want, but we don't. In terms of politics, we were heavily intertwined for centuries, due to our overlords. We haven't really had home-grown rulers for a long time, ones that come from the elite extension of the base culture that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    No it isn't. Britain is less French than people generally think. People go on about 1066 and the Norman influence, but the Normans were a small number of ruling class people, and they did not immigrate en masse to Britain at all. In fact I reckon they have a very small genetic impact, almost negligible.
    Yeah but Surely the People of the ruling class, would have branched into the general population of areas.

    For example. Royal Stewart DNA(R-L21) was confirmed in 15% of male participants with the Stewart surname. They are directly descended from the royal line of kings.

    And we all know that line goes back to Brittany. With the Normans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson View Post
    Well it is these NW French who the Welsh are so similar to anyway. People from Brittany that i've seen do genetic tests come out closer to Welsh, Cornish, Irish than to the central French average, and the same goes for the Welsh.
    Oh, I guess that's the confusion. Bretons should be labeled as 'French' though, mainly in Genetic tests, they are different ethnic groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson View Post
    Yes from a genetic point of view, the French influence is extremely small, but culturally and linguistically, they had a rather significant impact. True we can speak without many or any French or Latin based words if we want, but we don't. In terms of politics, we were heavily intertwined for centuries, due to our overlords. We haven't really had home-grown rulers for a long time, ones that come from the elite extension of the base culture that is.
    Isn't there a French genetic input into England and Wales? Wasn't that part of the POBI findings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    Once upon a time, All Scots were granted French citizenship, until the Union of Scotland & England. Both Scots & French together were granted dual nationality.
    Until the beginning of the XXth century, any Scot that put a foot on French soil was automatically granted French citizenship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson View Post
    True we can speak without many or any French or Latin based words if we want, but we don't.
    You can't actually speak English without any French words for too long without sounding fully retarded.
    Believe me, it's been tried.

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    Just looks at Uhtred's post. So the French connection is with Bretons then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice View Post
    Isn't there a French genetic input into England and Wales? Wasn't that part of the POBI findings?
    There is & most likely old pre-Germanic links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice View Post
    Isn't there a French genetic input into England and Wales? Wasn't that part of the POBI findings?
    Yeah, although most of it is basically a British type that has encroached into France (by the looks of it), either that or the pre-Roman population of most of southern Britain has expanded out of NW France, although that would be ignoring the elephant in the room in that the only place it's well represented is in NW France, where some of that same population migrated in the post-Roman period in Britain. However, i think it's pretty safe to say there has been contact and movement between Britain and northern France (at both NE and NW ends) for a long time, although the first explanation is probably the main explanation for why this cluster is so common in NW France. The main northern-central French cluster that is well represented in the rest of northern France, is less than 5% (by the looks of it) in central-south-east England, and goes up to close to 10% or so in south-west England. So it's possible that this cluster was represented well (~10%?) in much of lowland southern Britain in the Iron Age and Roman period. But then of course some of that could be later Norman contribution in many areas too, so it's hard to say. Also people from Flanders and Brittany (and some other places in various areas of France) came to Britain with the Normans. Remember that this big component that is well represented in NW France is the largest single component in Cornwall and Wales, but not well represented in the rest of France by the looks of it. So for comparison if one were to argue that this is a French cluster, you could equally argue that the German cluster(s) in England are in fact British, and that most of the Netherlands, Germany and Denmark are descended from intrusive pre-historic British elements.

    Certainly i don't think there was a clear cut barrier between these components because of the linguistic and cultural continuum between mainland Gaul, Belgica and southern Britain in both the pre-Roman Iron Age and the Roman Period, but the cluster in NW France looks more like a southern British cluster. Although if we knew the distances of these clusters from each other, it would be more helpful. As it may be that this minor central-northern French cluster and the southern British + NW French cluster are very similar to other, and very similar to the northern British/Irish cluster - In that case it would look like pre-Roman Britain is a continuation of northern France genetically, which would make sense. Of course we don't know how similar the clusters are to each other, but i guess it can be assumed that similar co lours are similar to each other, in the POBI presentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudel View Post
    Until the beginning of the XXth century, any Scot that put a foot on French soil was automatically granted French citizenship.


    You can't actually speak English without any French words for too long without sounding fully retarded.
    Believe me, it's been tried.
    It sounds funny because it's unusual, but the alternatives are perfectly sensible alternatives from within our own linguistic pool. However, it would be pointless and stupid to make these changes.

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