[Split]How is ethnicity determined

**Ibericus** · 02-21-2010, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Kadu

Cavalli-Sforza uses a cladistic system to group populations which is totally unrelated to the old phenetic systematisation based on physical traits.
As you can see there's a continuum, there are no clear boundaries.

And why should race be related with old phenetic systematisation ? Who says that ? I know there is a continuum in races, but that doesn't mean races don't exist. Read my previous post about scientists talking about race. they explain about the continuums , etc.

**Poltergeist** · 02-21-2010, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Iberia

Yes, ethnicities are subdivisions of race. And race is not important. What is your point ?

Race is not important, ethnicity even less so, according to you? So what's your point? What is important?

**Ibericus** · 02-21-2010, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Hermeticist

Race is not important, ethnicity even less so, according to you? So what's your point? What is important?

what are you talking about ?

**Kadu** · 02-21-2010, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Iberia

And why should race be related with old phenetic systematisation ? Who says that ? I know there is a continuum in races, but that doesn't mean races don't exist. Read my previous post about scientists talking about race. they explain about the continuums , etc.

He's grouping populations not races, just like in the autosomal plots that we talked yesterday. In this kind of systematisation you can have individuals with the same physical traits grouped with populations which don't cluster or are not close at all.

**Ibericus** · 02-21-2010, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Kadu

He's grouping populations not races, just like in the autosomal plots that we talked yesterday. In this kind of systematisation you can have individuals with the same physical traits grouped with populations which don't cluster or are not close at all.

Scientists are grouping populations, based on autosomal and genetic distances. And these grouped populations is the concept of Race. Also, according to forensic anthropologist George W. Gill, raca can be determined by bones. For him blanket "race denial" not only contradicts biological evidence, but may stem from "politically motivated censorship" in the belief that "race promotes racism"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/gill.html