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    Secularism & Secularization are Vital for Liberty and Democracy
    Supporters of secularism and secularization can best rebut attacks from religious critics by emphasizing how the two are vital for democracy, personal liberty, and even religious freedom.

    Secularism prescribes state neutrality in religious matters, but they are not morally or politically neutral. They are positive goods which must be defended as foundations of liberal democracy. This is why they are opposed by authoritarian religious institutions and authoritarian religious leaders. Secularism and secularization enhance the broad distribution of power and oppose the concentration of power in the hands of a few.
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    Religion in a Secular Society
    If secularism opposes the public support of religion or the presence of ecclesiastical authorities simultaneously exercising public authority, what role is left for religion in a secular society? Is religion doomed to a slow decline and attrition? Is it relegated to a web of quaint but unimportant cultural traditions? Such are the fears of opponents to secularism and secularization who argue that religion is too important to be eliminated in such a manner and blame atheists for their woes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comte Arnau View Post
    Those statements clearly have a purpose. But the fact is that if Christianity wouldn't have been adopted as the State Church of the Roman Empire, Christianity would have faded away time ago as a Jewish sect and Europe as a concept wouldn't have existed.
    I don't see why the Greco-Roman world could only have been saved by a sect of Judaism. What did the belief in Jesus' divinity have to do with European nationalism. And what Christian religious doctrine exactly helped shape Europe?

    What is it that Christianity accomplished for Europe that a pagan or ancestry-worshipping religion couldn't have done. Are you suggesting that Christianity is the most optimal religion for the task of unifying Europe? How do you know that pagan cults or heathenry wouldn't have been able to accomplish this and possibly more.

    Christianity is a meek and mild religion. It isn't as political, totalitarian, overarching as a unifying religion should be for Europe. Europe could have formed a new Empire after the fall of the Roman Empire but apparently Christianity didn't accomplish this. I envision a religion shaped with the interests of Europe and its people in mind which could be more beneficial for Europeans than Christianity ever was and ever will be.

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    Imagine this



    but Pan-European, not chauvinist German! And not necessarily fascist. Not antisemitic. And not necessarily racist either.


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    TL;DR

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    Can you envision a European Parliament as united as this?



    Of course not! Because Europe doesn't have a binding religion as the Nazis had. Europe needs a vision for its future.

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    Does Europe need a religion to unite its member states or could an irreligious system of beliefs suffice?
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    What about Humanism?

    It isn't a religion, but it is a a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism). The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated, according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it. Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of a "human nature" (sometimes contrasted with antihumanism).

    In modern times, humanist movements are typically aligned with secularism, and today "Humanism" typically refers to a non-theistic life stance centred around human agency, and looking to science instead of religion in order to understand the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comte Arnau View Post
    Not only is it a European religion, but also one of the main causes of the birth, formation and definition of Europe.
    Not entirely as the word Europe came from the Greeks. But Christianity helped Europe as a whole advance and become what it is today for good or worse......I use to blame christianity for the backwardness of the current period but the truth is that is far from the truth. However cultural marxists have infiltrated christianity and corrupted it. Maybe the same can be said of Islam with the current crap happening in that part of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crow View Post
    Not entirely as the word Europe came from the Greeks. But Christianity helped Europe as a whole advance and become what it is today for good or worse......I use to blame christianity for the backwardness of the current period but the truth is that is far from the truth. However cultural marxists have infiltrated christianity and corrupted it. Maybe the same can be said of Islam with the current crap happening in that part of the world.
    No one has corrupted Christianity,it was shit from the beginning,religions were always against science because it proves them wrong,lots of scientists were labelled as sorcerers and satanists and they were arrested and trialed by the christian churches.
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