"35%-55% Ashkenazis are of European Descent"

[Albion]

What do you mean when you ask: are jews European? Are you using that as a synonym for "white". If so would you consider white Americans to be European? These questions are for anyone who has been discussing whether or not jews are Europeans and anyone on any side of that issue.

I use European to be synonymous with "white" although it is a bad term. I use "European" to include those of and descended from Europeans.

Everyone else can make up their own minds, that's what I've settled for.

so why imply they are British citizens? You may as well call them kin and be done with it.

It's not my choice, anyone with British citizenship is deemed "British" by the government. That is why I avoid that hollow term like the plague.

You had trouble considering them as British a minute a go, now they are "undecided" Europeans?

I don't know where they fit, their origins are the Levant but a lot of Ashkenazi genetics are European. What am I supposed to do?
If I go for one or the other, either way it is wrong.

Bah! Assimilation. John Barnes is assimilated.

It doesn't change anything, it just means they'll attempt to fit in with our society. I think most currently do, although most groups have bloody multiculturalists.

LOL! Let's make room for non-English people. At least they'll go onto have non-English children. So preservationist.

For fuck sake Beorn, I'm not bloody inviting them here! They can stay wherever they are, my point being that it is better to be liked than disliked.
Just accept the damn proposition and stop being so stubbornly awkward. You know what I meant.

Don't you honestly think that a few less people who hate us the better?

I'm not so sure. I see a lot of lost causes.

I know, I keep trying to tell myself that some of them are just going through a phase. There are some people I really have no hope for.

And just to be clear being of European ancestry is part of the identity of a White American however having European ancestry does not make them Europeans. White Americans are not Europeans. White Americans are Americans.

Oh great, I've opened that debate now.

[Loki]

I'd like to address Beorn here. He/she/whatever would rather send me dickish comments via negative rep - in private - where they cannot be seen. I, however, am not a coward.

ALORS. Beorn, have the balls to treat me like an arse in front of everyone else. I don't mind.

Don't worry you're not the first and unfortunately unlikely to be the last.

You should go to bed now!! I'm going to close the thread for the night and re-open it when the sun shines again.

[Loki]

Thread reopened

[Nglund]

Uh-oh.

[Osweo]

All 1st and 2nd degree Mischlings (respectively 1/2 & 1/4 Jewish).

A half Jew is a half European. Honestly, I don't get what's so hard to grasp about this.

Cheers, Geist. I think my more lax stance on who is/isn't white/European stems from the fact that my parents aren't of the same nationality,

Thankyou for demonstrating the real DANGER in accepting people like yourself.

I see secular Ashkenazi Jews who are indistinguishable from Gentiles as 'ok' for the cause because they are, as I said, indistinguishable. My personal view is that if they are not accepted, the cause might be losing valuable assets

Oh NO!!!!!!! We'll lose all the valuable Jews who speak out for our native rights in public life!!!!!!!!!

Er... where've they been the last few decades, by the way?

. A blonde haired blue eyed secular Ashkenazi can secure blonde hair and blue eyes just as well as a blonde haired blue eyed gentile.

Er... Fuck OFF with your bullshit racial crap. THat's got piss all to do with being European. Fair Europeans are no superior to others. This is a cheap red herring.

The Israelis don't seem to care who gets in their way though, I doubt they'd be willing to stand with Europe.

Proven time and time again.

Fine, "the people who were occupied by the Khazar elite" then. Better? In that case they'd be North Caucasian peoples and perhaps a few relict nomads which would explain their closeness to Georgians.

Please, drop this utter DRIVEL.

The Ashkenazim are from the Rhineland. They are NOT CHECHENS. Christ almighty, I can't believe I have to reiterate that. Just fucking LOOK at some actual Caucasians, and a few genetic plots.

Israelis love Europe.

I wish I had the energy to dig up photos and so on to prove otherwise.

I can say confidently that Israel would stand by Europe in a heartbeat against Islam.

We don't need your divisive tactics. Islam is going nowhere. It's our neighbour, and we have to coexist on the world stage. If you want confrontation with them, leave us out of it.

No Beorn, I was merely pointing out that it is much better to have them on our side than against us. Damn, if you can't see that then there's really no hope.

And the Jews are our only hope!? We ARE fucked if that is the case!
The onus is on THEM to take a stand and be counted as pro-Europeans.

White Ashkenazis of European descent run the show in Israel. White genes always float to the top.

More bizarre racism. Currying favour with us? Seems rather sordid to me.

Origins of the Jews

Levantine and North Caucasian. Ashkenazi are probably more North Caucasian than Levantine.

Christ's sake, drop it. You haven't got a clue about the Caucasus.


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Let's recap. A foreigner is asserting all kinds of controversial claims. Some have resisted the unwelcome intrusion on our particular rights to certain exclusive terms. OTHERS have rushed up to kiss arse. I submit, ladies and gentleman, that the matter has been a superb demonstration of the stupid and suicidal lack of solidarity among Europeans, especially noted in the 'Atlanticist' camp.

People, for fuck's sake, figure out who your OWN are and stick with them.

Part Jews who don't want to go to Israel or Amerika; don't mouth off about being Jewish, don't stir up strife about pointless issues. Keep your head down and be 'European' if you must, without waving Jewishness about, and most of us would be happy to put up with you. You can't have your cake and eat it. The categories of Jew and European are too mutually antagonistic to sit easily together. One must give way to the other.

[Albion]

And the Jews are our only hope!?

No. Stop suggesting things.

[The Lawspeaker]

No. Stop suggesting things.

That's something Joe McCarthy once said:

If saving the white race means sucking Jewish cock we should all such Jew cock.

Or something like that. At least we now know what not to do because that's what we have been doing over the past 50 odd years.

[Loki]

Islam is going nowhere. It's our neighbour, and we have to coexist on the world stage. If you want confrontation with them, leave us out of it.

Hypocrisy 101

If Islam is our 'neighbour', then why not Jews? In fact, Jews have been living IN Europe for much longer than Muslims have.

So let me get this straight: you are Islam-friendly and want confrontation with Jews? :mmmm: How about not wanting confrontation with either? You know ... tree-hugging and all that shit.

[The Lawspeaker]

Hypocrisy 101

If Islam is our 'neighbour', then why not Jews? In fact, Jews have been living IN Europe for much longer than Muslims have.

So let me get this straight: you are Islam-friendly and want confrontation with Jews? :mmmm: How about not wanting confrontation with either? You know ... tree-hugging and all that shit.

What about armed neutrality when it comes to both of them ? Selling weapons to both the Muslims and Jews and growing rich over their corpses ? (basically what the Jews have been doing here over the past 1000 years: lending money to both European parties after they had seduced them to slaughter each other).

[Albion]

That's something Joe McCarthy once said:

If saving the white race means sucking Jewish cock we should all such Jew cock.

Or something like that. At least we now know what not to do because that's what we have been doing over the past 50 odd years.

I wouldn't call indifference or neutrality regarding the Jews as cock sucking, I'am merely stressing that we don't need any more enemies.

The Jewish influence over western politics is an unwelcome interference of course. I don't see how people keep jumping from my views of general indifference to the belief that I'am advocating allegiance with them. It's not the same and as I said, a few less enemies in the world is desirable, that however doesn't make them our allies though.

Anyway, Osweo will think up some shitty argument against this I'm sure. Please, feel free to, although it is rather tiresome having to keep repeating myself.