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    Default First Etymological Dictionary of Basque as an Indo-European language?

    by Gianfranco Forni: https://www.academia.edu/7134408/A_F...opean_Language (full: http://www.academia.edu/6285300/Evid..._FULL_VERSION_)

    What I have realized is that the only branch among Turks (besides the Khalaj) preserving the PIE and Basque radical consonant [h-] is the Bashkir language, which is spoken by the Bashkirs and who are known for their highest R1b frequencies in Asia:



    And there is quite another phenonem in the endoethnonyms of the Basque and Bashkir peoples. Bashkir is composed of two words: Bashk- (endoethnonym) and -er ('people'), Bashk is quite similar to Bask/Basque. "Basque" comes from French basque (“Basque”) which in turn derives from Latin Vascones, a Roman era tribe in the Franco-Cantabrian region of southern Europe who were ancestors of the current Basque population. So what do you think? Discuss!

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    Basque bizi 'alive, living; life' PRE-BASQUE: *bizi 'alive, living' at page 18:



    Compare with Turkic: yaş, yaşa- 'to live, age; year', yavru 'young baby child or animal'

    Proto-Turkic: *jāĺ ('young') or *jāĺ ('fresh, raw').

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    Next. Basque egun 'day; today' PRE-BASQUE: *egu(-n) 'day; sun' at page 19:



    Compare with Turkic: bugün 'today', gün 'sun, daylight, day'.

    Proto-Altaic: *gi̯òjńu 'dawn, daylight'

    Proto-IE: *gʷhai- 'light, bright'

    also compare Turkic: dün 'yesterday', which is quite similar to Turkic tan 'sky, daylight', hence forming Turkic Tengri 'god'.

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    Next. Basque ibai 'river', PRE-BASQUE: *ibai 'river' at page 21:



    Compare with Turkic: hïw, sub, suv 'water; body of water, reservoir, basin; running water, water supply, water service'.

    Proto-Turkic: *sɨb 'water'
    Proto-Altaic: *si̯uba 'water'

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    Next. Basque itz, hitz 'word', PRE-BASQUE *[h]itz 'word, speech, language' at page 21::



    Compare Turkic: hüð [ð= th - z] 'word, speech', söz 'word, speech'.

    Proto-Turkic: *söŕ 'word, speech'

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    more to come... Basque zur 'wood', sei 'boy or child', izar 'star' are also quite similar to Turkic forms. I will present them later.
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    Bashkir:Basque

    Father - ata:aita
    Child - bala:Umearen
    Dog - et:txakur
    Who - kem:nor
    1st - min:lehenengoa
    You - hin:zu
    They - ular:dute

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    I don't see any thing in common.

    Basque: jan

    French: manger
    Catalan: menjar
    Occitan: manjar/minjar
    Romanian: mânca
    Spanish: comer
    Portuguese: comer
    Galician: comer

    English: (to) eat
    Dutch: eten
    Afrikaans: eet
    German: essen
    Norwegian: spise
    Swedish:äta
    Danish: spise

    Irish: ithe

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    Next. Basque izar 'star', PRE-BASQUE: *izar 'star', Proto-Basque *asar at page 22:



    Compare with Chuvash Turkic şa'lta'r, and common Turkic juldız.

    Proto-Turkic *jul-duŕ (*-dɨŕ)

    And know imagine *jul- + *-dɨŕ = Euroasiatic *j-dɨŕ without -ul-. This is my suggestion. Also imagine Chuvash şa'lta'r without -al- = şta'r !!!

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    Next. Basque se- 'boy, child' at page 25:



    Zai in Pashto means 'descendant', and in Avestan it is similar with zoi 'offspring'. It is most likely from a Proto-Turkic source, cf. Old Turkic soy ("ancestry, descent, kin, tribe, progeny")

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    Next. Basque zur 'wood' at page 26:



    Compare Turkic direk 'beam, mast, pale, pillar, tree'.

    Proto-Turkic: *dẹrek, from Proto-Turkic: *dīre-


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    You - hin:zu
    Proto-Turkic *sẹ- (thou). Altaic: pl. *sU-.

    Indo-European: *-si ending of the 2d p.
    Kartvelian: *si-
    Chukchee-Kamchatkan: *-šǝ

    all forms are from Eurasiatic: *si


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xochi View Post
    I don't see any thing in common.

    Basque: jan
    Turkic yemek, yem 'meal, food, fodder' ye-/je- 'to eat'


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    I don't think, the Bashk/Basque similarity means anything, since the word "basque" is of romance origin, we don't even call ourselves "Basques", or somehow similar. The word is Euskaldunak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashgan View Post
    I don't think, the Bashk/Basque similarity means anything, since the word "basque" is of romance origin, we don't even call ourselves "Basques", or somehow similar. The word is Euskaldunak.
    I also heard that you call your country "abar (avar)" or "iber (iver)", is that correct?


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    Here is an interesting video about facial similarities between Bashkir, French, Spanish and English people:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    I also heard that you call your country "abar (avar)" or "iber (iver)", is that correct?
    No, I've never heard anyone using it.

    Btw, in euskara, there is no "v", "b" is used instead, so "avar" or "iver" aren't correctly generated words.

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