Lithuanians and the Irish

[Anglo-Celtic]

And "unfortunately intelligence". You do realise that is a very arrogant thing to say about a whole population and of course it shows incredible ignorance. Have you even looked at any data? Irish even in England do better academically than English children. They also do much better in PISA than the US.

He sounds like Slow Joe ("I may be Irish, but I'm not stupid"). Maybe that was Biden's English side talking. ;-)

[Grace O'Malley]

He sounds like Slow Joe ("I may be Irish, but I'm not stupid"). Maybe that was Biden's English side talking. ;-)

It wasn't the best thing to say. He does make plenty of gaffs but this was in his speech at a St Patrick's Day Lunch in front of loads of Irish people. It wasn't even a gaff and really was a bad choice to say even though he meant it in a light hearted way.

This was the full quote.

'Well, I just want you to know, I may be Irish but I'm not stupid. I married Dominic Giacoppo's daughter,' he quipped, referencing the Sicilian name of Jill Biden's father, Donald Jacobs.

He meant it as a bit of banter but there will be plenty of people that will take offence. I don't think that was his intention. It's obvious he has problems with speeches. He is someone that sees Irishness through an American lens which is often a bit twee and somewhat outdated. Too many stereotypes which isn't reality and not the image of what modern Ireland would be using to showcase the country to the world.

[Anglo-Celtic]

It wasn't the best thing to say. He does make plenty of gaffs but this was in his speech at a St Patrick's Day Lunch in front of loads of Irish people. It wasn't even a gaff and really was a bad choice to say even though he meant it in a light hearted way.

This was the full quote.



He meant it as a bit of banter but there will be plenty of people that will take offence. I don't think that was his intention. It's obvious he has problems with speeches. He is someone that sees Irishness through an American lens which is often a bit twee and somewhat outdated. Too many stereotypes which isn't reality and not the image of what modern Ireland would be using to showcase the country to the world.

I know, but one thing surprises me. Who knew that HRH Jill PhD Esquire was Sicilian?

[Richmondbread]

Well, that escalated quickly...

We are talking about AVERAGES. The Irish- there are some very smart ones. There are some very smart Lithuanians. But this is an honest truth: They have a slightly less than average IQ by comparison of other European countries- Lithuanians even lower than the Irish at 94 ( I think the Irish are 96 or 97) Technically , not important. They aren't known for their smarts, but more for their hearty attitude and spirit and a quirky sense of humor.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Well, that escalated quickly...

We are talking about AVERAGES. The Irish- there are some very smart ones. There are some very smart Lithuanians. But this is an honest truth: They have a slightly less than average IQ by comparison of other European countries- Lithuanians even lower than the Irish at 94 ( I think the Irish are 96 or 97) Technically , not important. They aren't known for their smarts, but more for their hearty attitude and spirit and a quirky sense of humor.

Grace is coming to put you in your place. Your comment sounds like "Amy is lucky that she's pretty, because she's a complete ditz."

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, that escalated quickly...

We are talking about AVERAGES. The Irish- there are some very smart ones. There are some very smart Lithuanians. But this is an honest truth: They have a slightly less than average IQ by comparison of other European countries- Lithuanians even lower than the Irish at 94 ( I think the Irish are 96 or 97) Technically , not important. They aren't known for their smarts, but more for their hearty attitude and spirit and a quirky sense of humor.

If you are talking about averages why is the Irish population one of the most educated in the World? Why are they one of the best performers in PISA if they have a lower IQ? You won't acknowledge that though because it doesn't suit your spiel of denigrating both the Irish and Lithuanians. When was the last IQ test performed and on whom? There are PISA results that we have for years and also education levels. Also the Irish are one of the most efficient workforces in the world so for people with supposedly low IQ they are outperforming many other populations.

9. Ireland
Ireland is also among the top countries with the best higher education system, ranked in the top twenty worldwide.

OECD data indicate that 56 percent of 25 to 34-year-olds in Ireland have completed higher or further education. Around 40 percent of women attained tertiary education in 2018.

Similar to Australia, around 40 percent of women in Ireland have attained tertiary education.

10. United States
The United States is renowned for its academic excellence, not only nationally but also globally. More than 4,000 colleges and universities in the US offer various courses and programs for students coming from different countries of the world.

In 2020, 38 percent of women in the United States completed four years of college, compared to male students, who in percentage stood at 36 percent back then.

Last year, a survey conducted by the non-profit organization, the National Student Clearinghouse, revealed that nearly 60 percent of students in the US colleges were women during the 2020/21 academic year, outnumbering men.

“This trend is especially visible in the community college sector, with male enrollment dropping by 14.4 percent compared to a 6 percent decline in female enrollment. Also, the increase of 44,000 female students (+1%) is contrasted with a drop of 90,000 male students (-2.7%) in the public four-year institution sector,” the report by the National Student Clearinghouse pointed out.

Data had shown that in spring 2021, about 59.5 percent of college students in the United States were women while 40.5 percent were men.

https://collegenews.org/top-10-count...ducated-women/

https://www.newsweek.com/most-educat...-world-1600620

Irish workers are the most productive in the world, adding an average of $109.6 (€92.4) to the value of the economy every hour they work, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-gdp-1.4660090

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...tive-countries

[Grace O'Malley]

Here's something interesting as well in regards to the Irish in the UK.

White Irish people in the UK earn “notably more” that the average British white person, a report on the ethnicity pay gap in the UK has found.

The report, by the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, found that the gap between the mean hourly earnings of all ethnic groups, and the white British, was 2.3 per cent, with the ethnic groups, on average, earning less.

But for Chinese, Indian and white Irish people, average earnings exceed those of the white British, with the Irish being the best paid of all.

Research showed the white Irish earning 41 per cent more than the white British. The equivalent figures for the Chinese and Indian populations were 23 per cent and 15 per cent, respectively.

Those groups earning less than the white British included the Pakistani and mixed white/black African communities, who earn 15 per cent less.

The report found that while white Irish scored very well in terms of educational attainment, Irish Traveller children were at the bottom of the range, along with children from the white Gypsy and Roma communities.

‘Outstanding’ success
The report said that special support was required for people from black Caribbean, mixed white and black Caribbean, Traveller of Irish heritage, Gypsy and Roma, Pakistani boys from low socio-economic backgrounds, and lower socio-economic status white British young people.

“Nevertheless, the level of success experienced by many ethnic minorities
in the UK is outstanding and should be recognised as such,” the report said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...inds-1.4527558

So how do the Irish in the UK earn more than the English if they have lower IQ?

It's obvious the Irish do not have a lower IQ than other populations. This is also the case in Australia with Irish being a very successful immigrant population.

[Richmondbread]

If you are talking about averages why is the Irish population one of the most educated in the World? Why are they one of the best performers in PISA if they have a lower IQ? You won't acknowledge that though because it doesn't suit your spiel of denigrating both the Irish and Lithuanians. When was the last IQ test performed and on whom? There are PISA results that we have for years and also education levels. Also the Irish are one of the most efficient workforces in the world so for people with supposedly low IQ they are outperforming many other populations.



https://collegenews.org/top-10-count...ducated-women/

https://www.newsweek.com/most-educat...-world-1600620



https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-gdp-1.4660090

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...tive-countries

I've explained before that educated and IQ is not the same. The Irish are not what I would call an "intellectual " race. That doesn't mean they are stupid. They are more artistic and expressive in many ways.

[Grace O'Malley]

I've explained before that educated and IQ is not the same. The Irish are not what I would call an "intellectual " race. That doesn't mean they are stupid. They are more artistic and expressive in many ways.

That's just your opinion and doesn't conform to reality. You have to have a certain level of IQ to get a university degree and also be successful in things like business. Also for a country to attain higher living standards the population has to be well educated which entails the population having at least average or higher IQ.

[Grace O'Malley]

Ireland's low IQ is based on the completely shoddy work of Richard Lynn. So certain people prefer to use these discredited tests instead of looking at large sample sizes with PISA and also information on university graduates. No they want to use something like Lynn whose methods have been described as deeply flawed.

In effect, Lynn compared a 'corrected' mean score on a test of one type of non-verbal ability given to a sample of 6- to 13-year-old Irish children in 1972 with a wrongly calculated index score derived from unrepresentative samples of young men during the Second World War whose scores on a variety of different types of tests were aggregated with those of boys and girls who took two unspecified tests in the 1950s and1960s. On such a foundation rests Lynn's finding of a difference of 6 IQ points between the Republic of Ireland and London and South Eastern England which Eysenck claims to be 'highly significant from a practical as well as a statistical point of view' (Eysenck, 1981, p. 78). Such being the 'facts' on which the low Irish IQ myth is based, there is really no need to pursue the critique any further.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ue_of_the_Myth