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    Andena/Andes/Andio/Antis — personal Illyrian names based on a root-word and- or ant-, found in both the southern and the Dalmatian-Pannonian (including modern Bosnia and Herzegovina) onomastic provinces; cf. Alb. andė (northern Albanian dialect, or Gheg) and ėndė (southern Albanian dialect or Tosk) "appetite, pleasure, desire, wish"; Andi proper name, Andizetes, an Illyrian people inhabiting the Roman province of Panonia.[80]
    aran "field"; cf. Alb. arė; plural ara[81]
    Ardiaioi/Ardiaei, name of an Illyrian people, cf. Alb. ardhja "arrival" or "descent", connected to hardhi "vine-branch, grape-vine", with a sense development similar to Germanic *stamniz, meaning both stem, tree stalk and tribe, lineage. However, the insufficiency of this theory is that so far there is no certainty as to the historical or etymological development of either ardhja/hardhi or Ardiaioi, as with many other words.[80]
    Bilia "daughter"; cf. Alb. bijė, dial. bilė[82]
    Bindo/Bindus, an Illyrian deity from Bihać, Bosnia and Herzegovina; cf. Alb. bind "to convince" or "to make believe", pėrbindėsh "monster".[83]
    bounon, "hutt, cottage"; cf. Alb bun[84]
    brisa, "husk of grapes"; cf. Alb bėrsķ "lees, dregs; mash" ( < PA *brutiā)[85]
    Barba- "swamp", a toponym from Metubarbis; possibly related to Alb. bėrrakė "swampy soil"[85]
    can- "dog"; related to Alb. qen[85]
    Daesitiates, a name of an Illyrian people, cf. Alb. dash "ram", corresponding contextually with south Slavonic dasa "ace", which might represent a borrowing and adaptation from Illyrian (or some other ancient language).[80]
    mal, "mountain"; cf. Alb mal[86]
    bardi, "white"; cf. Alb bardhė[87]
    drakoina "supper"; cf. Alb. darke, dreke[88]
    drenis, "deer"; cf. Alb dre, dreni[84]
    delme "sheep"; cf. Alb dele, Gheg dialect delme[89]
    dard, "pear"; cf. Alb dardhė[90]
    Hyllus (the name of an Illyrian king); cf. Alb. yll (hyll in some northern dialects) "star", also Alb. hyj "god", Ylli proper name.[88]
    sīca, "dagger"; cf. Alb thikė or thika "knife"[91]
    Ulc-, "wolf" (pln. Ulcinium); cf. Alb ujk "wolf", ulk (Northern Dialect)[92]
    lośgeon, "pool"; cf. Alb lag, legen "to wet, soak, bathe, wash" ( < PA *lauga), lėgatė "pool" ( < PA *leugatā), lakshte "dew" ( < PA laugista)[93]
    mag- "great"; cf. Alb. i madh "big , great"[85]
    mantķa "bramblebush"; Old and dial. Alb mandė "berry, mulberry" (mod. Alb mėn, man)[citation needed]
    rhinos, "fog, mist"; cf. Old Alb ren "cloud" (mod. Alb re, rź) ( < PA *rina)[94]
    Vendum "place"; cf. Proto-Alb. wen-ta (Mod. Alb. vend)[88]
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    "One of the earliest theories on the origins of the Albanians, now considered obsolete, identified the proto-Albanians with an area of the Caucasus referred to by classical geographers as "Albania", which roughly corresponds with modern-day Azerbaijan. This theory supposed that the ancestors of the Albanians migrated westward to the Balkans in the late classical or early Medieval period. The Caucasian theory was first proposed by Renaissance humanists who were familiar with the works of classical geographers, and later developed by early 19th-century French consul and writer Franēois Pouqueville. It was rendered obsolete in the 19th century when linguists proved that Albanian is an Indo-European, rather than Caucasian language.[116]"
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    No they aren't you retarded speng. If they were they would score 100% SE euro on autosomal like Greeks and Albanians
    They are what?I saw the excel just moment ago.
    23andme autosomal tests means nothing,all these tests are 'interpreted raw genetic data' .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    They are what?I saw the excel just moment ago.
    23andme autosomal tests means nothing,all these tests are 'interpreted raw genetic data' .
    Dream on boy. Anyways I doubt you would say this to an Albanians face. "Caucasian Albanian, aka Aghwan or Old Udi, is an extinct member of the Northeast Caucasian languages. It was spoken in Caucasian Albania, which stretched from current day south Dagestan to Azerbaijan. Linguists believe it is an early linguistic predecessor to the endangered North Caucasian Udi language." It has no relation to Albanian or any Indo-European language
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    They are what?
    Slavs that originated in Ukraine
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Yh the whole region of the Caucasus was called Iberia during that time
    Poto Serbs and Croats came from Caucasus "Serboi" and "Hrvati'' . They were Sarmatians. They lived right next to Caucasus Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Andena/Andes/Andio/Antis — personal Illyrian names based on a root-word and- or ant-, found in both the southern and the Dalmatian-Pannonian (including modern Bosnia and Herzegovina) onomastic provinces; cf. Alb. andė (northern Albanian dialect, or Gheg) and ėndė (southern Albanian dialect or Tosk) "appetite, pleasure, desire, wish"; Andi proper name, Andizetes, an Illyrian people inhabiting the Roman province of Panonia.[80]
    aran "field"; cf. Alb. arė; plural ara[81]
    Ardiaioi/Ardiaei, name of an Illyrian people, cf. Alb. ardhja "arrival" or "descent", connected to hardhi "vine-branch, grape-vine", with a sense development similar to Germanic *stamniz, meaning both stem, tree stalk and tribe, lineage. However, the insufficiency of this theory is that so far there is no certainty as to the historical or etymological development of either ardhja/hardhi or Ardiaioi, as with many other words.[80]
    Bilia "daughter"; cf. Alb. bijė, dial. bilė[82]
    Bindo/Bindus, an Illyrian deity from Bihać, Bosnia and Herzegovina; cf. Alb. bind "to convince" or "to make believe", pėrbindėsh "monster".[83]
    bounon, "hutt, cottage"; cf. Alb bun[84]
    brisa, "husk of grapes"; cf. Alb bėrsķ "lees, dregs; mash" ( < PA *brutiā)[85]
    Barba- "swamp", a toponym from Metubarbis; possibly related to Alb. bėrrakė "swampy soil"[85]
    can- "dog"; related to Alb. qen[85]
    Daesitiates, a name of an Illyrian people, cf. Alb. dash "ram", corresponding contextually with south Slavonic dasa "ace", which might represent a borrowing and adaptation from Illyrian (or some other ancient language).[80]
    mal, "mountain"; cf. Alb mal[86]
    bardi, "white"; cf. Alb bardhė[87]
    drakoina "supper"; cf. Alb. darke, dreke[88]
    drenis, "deer"; cf. Alb dre, dreni[84]
    delme "sheep"; cf. Alb dele, Gheg dialect delme[89]
    dard, "pear"; cf. Alb dardhė[90]
    Hyllus (the name of an Illyrian king); cf. Alb. yll (hyll in some northern dialects) "star", also Alb. hyj "god", Ylli proper name.[88]
    sīca, "dagger"; cf. Alb thikė or thika "knife"[91]
    Ulc-, "wolf" (pln. Ulcinium); cf. Alb ujk "wolf", ulk (Northern Dialect)[92]
    lośgeon, "pool"; cf. Alb lag, legen "to wet, soak, bathe, wash" ( < PA *lauga), lėgatė "pool" ( < PA *leugatā), lakshte "dew" ( < PA laugista)[93]
    mag- "great"; cf. Alb. i madh "big , great"[85]
    mantķa "bramblebush"; Old and dial. Alb mandė "berry, mulberry" (mod. Alb mėn, man)[citation needed]
    rhinos, "fog, mist"; cf. Old Alb ren "cloud" (mod. Alb re, rź) ( < PA *rina)[94]
    Vendum "place"; cf. Proto-Alb. wen-ta (Mod. Alb. vend)[88]
    Mostly reconstructions from Indo-European.Not an argument.
    The oldest and almost all illyrian words are thorough dalmatian, as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Mostly reconstructions from Indo-European.Not an argument.
    The oldest and almost all illyrian words are thorough dalmatian, as expected.
    Dafuq, are u actually retarded? Dalmatian was a Romance language
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Wrong,Illyrians lived in the illyrian kingdom that spread throughout the dalmatian border,they later got conquered by Romans,if you open any encyclopedia you will see that they dont speak about albanians at illyrians,i have one myself at it tells about croats ,yugoslavs were known since before albanians of having illyrian past.
    There is no proof that ties albanians with illyrians,even wikipedia states this.
    The first mention of albanians is in the 12th century despite numerous populations passing in that region.
    The illyrian idea got pushed during Hoxha regime to give albanians a claim of being older than serbs.
    Wrong, Enver Hoxha has nothing to do with the connection between Illyrians and Albanians:
    http://www.albanianhistory.net/1705_Leibniz/index.html
    http://www.albanianhistory.net/1774_Thunmann/index.html
    Meanwhile for you Roma was invented a word to describe the falsifications of history from this communist dictator with Turkish origine named Ēaushesku, protochronism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protochronism
    Protochronism (anglicized from the Romanian: Protocronism, from the Ancient Greek terms for first in time) is a Romanian term describing the tendency to ascribe, largely relying on questionable data and subjective interpretations, an idealised past to the country as a whole. While particularly prevalent during the regime of Nicolae Ceauşescu, its origin in Romanian scholarship dates back more than a century.
    The term refers to perceived aggrandizing of Dacian and earlier roots of today's Romanians. This phenomenon is also pejoratively labelled "Dacomania" or sometimes "Thracomania," while its proponents prefer "Dacology."


    Do you see gypsy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tee View Post
    Poto Serbs and Croats came from Caucasus "Serboi" and "Hrvati'' . They were Sarmatians. They lived right next to Caucasus Albanians.
    Yh. Although I have seen some sources say that they come from Ukraine. But Sarmatians/Scythians did invade that region many times
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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