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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexq View Post
    here we go again...I wont bother waste my time going over this shit again, I wil tell you one thing, the word "greek" is a made up word by the latins, and those ancient macedonians never claimed being "greek"
    The word "Greek" is an exonym, dear illiterate Titostani.

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    The Macedonian language at the UN

    http://unterm.un.org/dgaacs/unterm.n...B?OpenDocument

    Deal with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by morski View Post
    The word "Greek" is an exonym, dear illiterate Titostani.
    only Turkic countries end with "stan" such as Turkmenistan, kazakhastan, and ofcourse your motherland Tatarstan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plateau View Post
    Ancient Macedonia was never part of Vardaska (Fyrom). Real Macedonia lies in Greece:


    Map of Ancient Macedonia. 95% of Ancient Macedonia still lies in Greece. The region above macedonia (Fyrom) was known as Vardaska.

    Regions of Ancient Macedonia:
    http://www.macedonia.com/english/history/regions1.html

    And the real name of the area above Greece inhabited by the West Bulgarians is Vardaska.
    Fyrom is a fake country that hijacked the name and history of Ancient macedonians. As late as 1946 Fyrom was known as Vardaska



    "In 1931 Yugoslavia was reorganized into 9 regions (Banovinas). The southern region of Yugoslavia, including today's FYROM, was named as Vardaska Banovina (or Vardaria). That was the original name of the area of FYROM, when it was first created, inside Yugoslavia."

    In 1946 it was renamed to Macedonia, the same name as the Greek province of Greece (where real Macedonia is). They clearly aimed in accessing the Aegean Sea, a priviledge that they had lost after the 1st World War. On their side they had the Russians who wanted to gain access in the area. They proposed the creation of a communistic state in Macedonia which they planned to annex in the future.

    Fyrom continues to have territorial claims against Greece:



    Notice how they include a huge chunk of Northern Greece in their map. They indoctrinate their children from a small age that Ancient macedonians had nothing to do with Greeks, and indoctrinate them to hate Greeks.

    Fact is that Macedonians have never associated themselves with anything other than Greek. Slavs,Turks or Bulgarians were NEVER characterised as “Macedonians” in Byzantine, Ancient, and foreign Sources.



    The two terms, Macedonian, do not always have the same significance: they coincide only to the extend that they refer to a geographical concept.

    The term Μαcedonian also was to a considerable extend used in its geographical sense, when it designated a Byzantine inhabitant of Macedonia. Since, however, it could at the same time have other, non-geographical, connotations (racial, family, etc.). it does not appear blindly to follow the successive administrate changes effected by the central authority.

    It is characteristic that those who from time to time are designated as Μacedonian are always members of Byzantine society or the Byzantine army, speaking the same language and apparently following the same failh, and that they never appear to turn, as the head of a certain group, against ihe Byzantine state.
    (as was the case with Bulgarians)

    In this sense, the term Μακεδών could be applied lo a person who was not of Macedonian descent. The characteristic example here is that of the Emperor Basil I, who is clearly described as being descended “from the Armenian nation“: This however, did not stop the Byzantines from calling him a Macedonian.
    e) This category does not appear to include the more recent immigrants to Macedonia, evidently because they retained their own ethnic particularity (language, religion, culture, etc.) and, more important still, their independence from the Byzantine rule. Thus, for example, in no case could any Bulgars, Slavs or Turks who were known to have settled in the region after a certain period (and who, indeed, became the permanent residents) ever be described as Μacedones

    An interesting case of this refusal to use the term Μαcedon, as a descriptor for local, generally Slav, rulers, is that of Tsar Samuel. Samuel who came from the Western Macedonian district of Ochrid and who brought all Macedonia under his rule in the late 10th centure and early 11th century, was never called Μακeδών (=Macedonian), either by the Byzantines or by local Slavo-Bulgarian sources.

    By your logic, Serbia isn't really Serbia but Dunavska and Croatia is actually Savska. All states of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia were named after the major river the flows through it. The Yugoslavs were attempting to wipe out sepperatist sentiment by taking away names like Macedonia, Croatia and Serbia.

    Now shut the fuck up and stop parroting Greek propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    By your logic, Serbia isn't really Serbia but Dunavska and Croatia is actually Savska. All states of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia were named after the major river the flows through it. The Yugoslavs were attempting to wipe out sepperatist sentiment by taking away names like Macedonia, Croatia and Serbia.

    Now shut the fuck up and stop parroting Greek propaganda.
    LOL.Grow up and accept your bulgarian identity.
    Лажат дека немаш море, имаш море зад солунско поле.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexq View Post
    here we go again...I wont bother waste my time going over this shit again, I wil tell you one thing, the word "greek" is a made up word by the latins, and those ancient macedonians never claimed being "greek"
    roflmao.Your ancestors did claim to be bulgarians though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HellLander87 View Post
    roflmao.Your ancestors did claim to be bulgarians though.
    they did not claim, but they were claimed by bulgarian, serb and even greek so called "travellers" and their "church" lol only the french travellers didnt write poropaganda shit like the previous, cause those were real travellers ...my ancestors lived in a mountain, had a farm and cared more for the sheep and cows...you forgot that you are "greek" because of the "greek orthodox church", otherwise no way a pontic greek, mainland greek, cypriot greek and some arab who is part of your church in lebanon and sirya are related at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexq View Post
    they did not claim, but they were claimed by bulgarian, serb and even greek so called "travellers" and their "church" lol only the french travellers didnt write poropaganda shit like the previous, cause those were real travellers ...my ancestors lived in a mountain, had a farm and cared more for the sheep and cows...you forgot that you are "greek" because of the "greek orthodox church", otherwise no way a pontic greek, mainland greek, cypriot greek and some arab who is part of your church in lebanon and sirya are related at all
    You are wrong. Ohrid was the center of Bulgarian church.
    Лажат дека немаш море, имаш море зад солунско поле.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellLander87 View Post
    You are wrong. Ohrid was the center of Bulgarian church.
    that is one small period of time, if that is the reason your ballcraping about whole bulgarian thing, then go suicide, cause macedonia was center of islam for 500 years during ottoman times, are u going to say im turk or arab now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellLander87 View Post
    LOL.Grow up and accept your bulgarian identity.
    I accept our shared history and culture with Bulgarians, but I will never accept the Macedonian name to be taken away from us, as it has always been closely associated with us. It's time for Neo-Greeks to grow up and accept that they do not have by any means exclusive right to the name.

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