Petros Agapetos about Armenia

[Petros Agapetos]

In 1915 Armenians lived in all the major cities of the Ottoman Empire, Van, Bitlis, Erzerum, Kharpert, Sivas, Trebizond, Konya, Kayseri, Adana, Izmir, Bursa, Edirne, and many others. But after systematic genocides, by 1923 the Armenian population of Turkey had been reduced only to those living in Constantinople. Armenians had participated in all aspects of Ottoman life and had made major contributions to Turkish commerce, industry, architecture, and even music. Yet, in the final analysis, the centuries of Turkish rule resulted in the utter ruin of historic Armenia, the expulsion of the Armenians from Asiatic Turkey and the permanent exile of surviving Armenians only in mountainous regions of the Kavkaz (Caucasus).

The net effect of the Ottoman era is summed up in the violent transformation of historic Armenia into Turkey. Thus what was once the homeland of Armenians from antiquity ruled by Armenian kings and chieftains from the sixth century B.C.E. till 1071, was finally purged of almost the entire Armenian population and was merged into Turkey. What is today Armenia is only one fourth of the north eastern part of historic Armenia.

[Petros Agapetos]

What do you think of Armenian history, culture, and society?

[Petros Agapetos]

What do you think of our country and its people?

[Petros Agapetos]

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[Shah-Jehan]

the people look cute

[Petros Agapetos]

Would you support immigration of Armenians into your country?

[adsız]

Would you support immigration of Armenians into your country?

Turkey has more than 100,000 armenian migrants working without permit. Illegal immigration should be stopped. They are low class people with little education and tending to committing crimes. Some time ago, One of them killed an old lady, another armenian living alone in Turkey

Arriving here 13 years ago, a woman named Heriknaz Avagyan is one of around 100,000 Armenians living in Turkey. After getting married to a Turkish citizen of Armenian origin, she was eligible for citizenship. She said her heart was full of fear of and hatred for Turks at the beginning.

"When I was heading to Turkey, I was full of hatred and fear of Turks. I was young and easily affected by what I had been told up to that time. However, when I started to live here and meet Turks, my thoughts completely changed. I realized that hatred was no good, nor was judging people based on their nations. Besides, there is no point in blaming Turks now for what happened 100 years ago," she said.

Most Armenians come to Turkey because of economic problems in Armenia. Even after graduating from a reputable university, they have difficulty finding a financially satisfying job. The fact that Turkey has a more stable economy and is not far away from Armenia, and if there are already relatives living here it makes Turkey appealing for Armenian migrants.

Avagyan said the number of illegal Armenian workers is quite high. Even though the Armenian community in Turkey and their Turkish neighbors try to help them, there are still problems that remain unsolved.

"It is not easy to illegally live in a country. Their children cannot go to school, they do not have health insurance and they all live on shaky ground. They are quite contented, though," she said.

Eight out of 10 Armenians to whom Daily Sabah talked said they did not face any harassment for being Armenian in Turkey. Quite the contrary, some said they are treated warmly by people who are curious about Armenian culture.

An anonymous woman, the wife of an illegal worker, said she was afraid to come to Turkey at first, but then realized the only challenge was language.

"I feel like I live in my homeland. We can earn money and we have great friends. Well, we still have some problems, but this is the best possible way," she said. She added that Turkish TV series helped her learn Turkish the most.

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[Arsen_]

Turkey has more than 100,000 armenian migrants working without permit..

Not true.

By the way it was Erdogan who first bubbled that utter bullshit about "100.000 illegal Armenian immigrants" in Turkey. But after that fantastic bullshit the National Institute of Statistiqs of Turkey gave data that since Armenia's independence less than ten thousand Armenian citizens moved in Turkey. Moreover majority of that Armenian citizens left Turkey due to Turkish laws which hamper education of children in Armenian schools.

It is really funny when a Turk pretends to portray his country as anything attractive to immigrants.

For example, the Russian government has opened its agencies in Armenia and sent representatives of the Russian Federal Migration Service and recruit Armenian migrants for moving in Russia, paying their way, giving large sums to purchase housing etc.

[Armenian Bishop]

The Armenians and their lands

Armenians call themselves Hay (pl. Hayk’) and their country Hayastan.[2] The Armenians have called themselves also Aramean Azg (Nation of Aram), T’orkomean Azg (Nation of Togarmah), Haykazean Azg (Nation of Hayk) and Askanazean Azg (Nation of Askanaza); the latter is an anachronism, since in the Bible 'Askanaz' represents the Scythians. The term 'Armenian', when it was created in the 3rd millennium BC, originally denoted the Hay people.

The country representing Armenia, the highlands to the east of peninsular Anatolia, was the previous Kingdom of Ararat. The borders of Armenia have changed so often that one can only give a rough description of it, such as: to the east up to the confluence of the rivers Kur and Araxes, to the south River Araxes, south of the Kashiari range of mountains up to Nisibis (Mtsbin), to the west the River Euphrates and to the north the Pontus range of mountains, the southern plains of Georgia and the Kur river.

The Hays (Proto-Armenians) are mentioned, for the first time, in the Hittite inscriptions as Hayasa. The hieroglyphic inscriptions of the Proto-Armenians contain some ancient discarded and forgotten words which still have their exact parallels in Germanic languages such as English: sore = Proto-Armenian sor, tap = tap’, ire = ira, door = dur, mass = mas, daddy = tati, tie = ti, day = ti, bit = pih, cwēn = kin, negative prefix un = an, etc. But the English words quoted are the result of many years of development which had different phonetics in the past.

Consequently, we are left with a single name, a name of unique importance.The ancient Armenian god Tir, also known as Tīw and Tiwaz, was only known to the Hays of Armenia. In Armenia Tir was the supreme god, but under the hegemony of the Achaemenids, Ahura Mazta (Aramazd) became supreme and Tir his scribe, defender of arts and letters and god of oracles and dreams. No other nation besides the Armenians have such a god.

It's good that you provide us with this kind of high quality text, from diligent work, and scholarship.

I will like to see more of it, but please add a link to it, either above, or below it, so that we can find the original source material, for more information. I think it's important to let us know where you found it, even though it serves as a personal representation of your viewpoint.

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By the way it was Erdogan who first bubbled that utter bullshit about "100.000 illegal Armenian immigrants" in Turkey. But after that fantastic bullshit the National Institute of Statistiqs of Turkey gave data that since Armenia's independence less than ten thousand Armenian citizens moved in Turkey. Moreover majority of that Armenian citizens left Turkey due to Turkish laws which hamper education of children in Armenian schools.
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I have not seen that statistical survey. Would you mind giving me the link to? It may be about the armenians who moved to Turkey "legally" and live in since 1992...

In 2009, "one of the influential members of the Armenian community" Bedros Şirinoğlu said the number of illegal armenians in Turkey was around 30,000.



An accurate survey about the illegal armenians is not easy to do because neither employer nor employee wants to reveal it because of legal issues. In my opinion, the 100,000 figure is also less then real. Many of illegal armenians hide their identity and pretend Georgian.