Putin Reelected

**The Ripper** · 03-13-2012, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Arrow Cross

I long for the day when that country will finally have a president doing away with the communist past for good, statues, parades, symbols, everything, instead of glorifying and trying to revive it. Never brought the world any favours the first time around either.

On the other hand, it is getting slightly tiring to keep hearing these various Baltic peoples "distance themselves" from the nation that liberated them from under the Stalinist yoke. For goodness' sake, you know you'll be likened to National Socialists whatever you do, especially if their uniforms are on display and your enemies won't care about your motivations. This is how politics works. Just take their scorn like a man with pride.

Had Germany won the war, their liberation would not have been any better than Soviet liberation. They have no reason to love Hitler.

**Loki** · 03-13-2012, 11:07 AM

All hail Putin!!

**Arrow Cross** · 03-13-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by The Ripper

Had Germany won the war, their liberation would not have been any better than Soviet liberation. They have no reason to love Hitler.

Really now? Do you seriously equate reactionary National Socialist values with the Bolshevik apocalypse and social upheaval 1945 brought to traditional Europe?

We'd be living in a vastly different world now.

**beaver** · 03-13-2012, 04:42 PM

All hail Putin!!

Loki, you dont live in Russia, you are a loch here (лох)

**~~Joe McCarthy~~** · 03-13-2012, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Arrow Cross

Really now? Do you seriously equate reactionary National Socialist values with the Bolshevik apocalypse and social upheaval 1945 brought to traditional Europe?

We'd be living in a vastly different world now.

Might wanna look at Generalplan Ost and see what plans the Nazis had for Baltic peoples.

**~~LastLivonian~~** · 03-13-2012, 04:54 PM

Hopefully Russia will become decent enough for the Russians in the Baltic states to go and live in their country.

**Loki** · 03-13-2012, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by beaver

Loki, you dont live in Russia, you are a loch here (лох)

I don't live in Russia but I have many Russian friends - who live there too. They share my view on this.

**~~ShlomoLen~~** · 03-13-2012, 04:58 PM

Putin is an antisemitic fascist pig, who is in serious need of reeducation.
Anyone who likes him is a fascist too.

**EWtt** · 03-13-2012, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Arrow Cross

On the other hand, it is getting slightly tiring to keep hearing these various Baltic peoples "distance themselves" from the nation that liberated them from under the Stalinist yoke. For goodness' sake, you know you'll be likened to National Socialists whatever you do, especially if their uniforms are on display and your enemies won't care about your motivations. This is how politics works. Just take their scorn like a man with pride.

Clearly, their motivation was not the creation of Grossdeutschland and Reichskommissariat Ostland, where there'd be the province of Estland. That might have been better than Soviet rule, I won't argue, everyone saw Germany as the lesser evil. Germans did treat ethnic Estonians radically different from Soviets during the war. Yet why should we idly stand by while the Russian propaganda machine slanders us, painting a picture of the Fourth Reich existing here? Perhaps our pride doesn't let us be treated like that?

**The Ripper** · 03-13-2012, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Arrow Cross

Really now? Do you seriously equate reactionary National Socialist values with the Bolshevik apocalypse and social upheaval 1945 brought to traditional Europe?

We'd be living in a vastly different world now.

Yeah, in a world where Estonians and Balts make up a minority of their (former) homeland's population. Why would that be good for them? No matter how perfect Uncle Adolf would've made the world, they wouldn't have benefited.