Which non-Spanish Romance language is closer to Italian overall -- Portuguese, Romanian or French?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Spanish is 85% lexically similar with Italian. Portuguese is in the 70%s compared to Italian even if 80% similar to Spanish.

If you agree that Spanish is the most similar language to Italian then how is Portuguese not the second most similar? I don't know if Portuguese is 70% lexically similar to Italian but I do know that French or Romanian is way bellow that number.

[Sikeliot]

If you agree that Spanish is the most similar language to Italian then how is Portuguese not the second most similar? I don't know if Portuguese is 70% lexically similar to Italian but I do know that French or Romanian is way bellow that number.

French to Italian is 89%.

Portuguese lacks some of the elements that make Spanish close to Italian to me.

[Sikeliot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexical_similarity

For Italian it goes:

French (89%) > Catalan (87%) > Sardinian (85%) > Spanish (82%) > Romansch (78%) > Romanian (77%).

Portuguese was not surveyed compared to Italian but Portuguese to Spanish is 89%, Spanish to Italian is 82%, so you can infer Portuguese will be around 77-80%.

[Damião de Góis]

If you agree that Spanish is the most similar language to Italian then how is Portuguese not the second most similar? I don't know if Portuguese is 70% lexically similar to Italian but I do know that French or Romanian is way bellow that number.

Most likely he pulled that number on the same place he searches for portuguese to post. "-" means data not avaliabe:

[Sikeliot]

Going by lexical similarity Spanish is not even the closest to Italian. The way it is closer is spelling and pronunciation. But Portuguese has features that are more differentiated (articles like el/la, il/la no longer immediately recognizable, the c with the squiggly line below it, etc).

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Most likely he pulled that number on the same place he searches for portuguese to post. "-" means data not avaliabe:

That seems so "accurate". Portuguese with 0.72 lexical similarity coefficients with Romanian.


Portuguese:

"A UE dispõe de um orçamento anual de 145 000 milhões de euros (dados de 2015), uma quantia importante em termos absolutos, mas que representa apenas 1% da riqueza gerada anualmente pelas economias europeias.

O orçamento está sujeito aos limiares estabelecidos pelo quadro financeiro plurianualVer esta ligação noutra línguaEN•••, que define os montantes anuais máximos que a UE pode despender em diferentes domínios políticos durante um período determinado (em geral, sete anos)."


Romanian:

"Bugetul anual al Uniunii Europene se ridică la 145 de miliarde de euro (conform cifrelor din 2015). Deși este o sumă importantă, ea nu reprezintă decât 1% din veniturile generate anual de economiile UE.

Bugetul este supus limitelor prevăzute de cadrul financiar multianualCăutați traducerile disponibile pentru linkul precedentEN•••. Acesta stabilește sumele anuale maxime pe care UE le poate cheltui în diferite domenii de politică, într-o anumită perioadă (de obicei, 7 ani)."



If I can understand 10%-20% of what's written here it is already great.

[Ouistreham]

Most likely he pulled that number on the same place he searches for portuguese to post. "-" means data not avaliabe:

These are the data provided by Ethnologue, and it's pure horseshit.
French / Italian lexical similarity at 0.89??? This is nonsense.
It also says that French has more lexical similarity to German than to English. Who can believe it?[*]
[*] Except for Sikeliot...

[Sikeliot]

These are the data provided by Ethnologue, and it's pure horseshit.
French / Italian lexical similarity at 0.89??? This is nonsense.
It also says that French has more lexical similarity to German than to English. Who can believe it?[*]
[*] Except for Sikeliot...

Do you have a source that says differently?

[Seya]

If you agree that Spanish is the most similar language to Italian then how is Portuguese not the second most similar? I don't know if Portuguese is 70% lexically similar to Italian but I do know that French or Romanian is way bellow that number.

overall romanian and portugues probably have a similar percentage of lexicon shred...i still think romanians has more tho BUT the sound of portugues language makes it very difficult to be understood even by spanish speaker. it's very difficult to distinguish the words because of it's accent. on the other hand..romanian and italian (especially the one spoken in the south..and i'm not talking about dialects) have a much more similar sound...both sound more like the original latin and lack that strong accents we find in portuges, french and even spanish, which also has a quite particular accent but less significant.

[Sikeliot]

overall romanian and portugues probably have a similar percentage of lexicon shred...i still think romanians has more tho BUT the sound of portugues language makes it very difficult to be understood even by spanish speaker. it's very difficult to distinguish the words because of it's accent. on the other hand..romanian and italian (especially the one spoken in the south..and i'm not talking about dialects) have a much more similar sound...both sound more like the original latin and lack that strong accents we find in portuges, french and even spanish, which also has a quite particular accent but less significant.

Sicilian dialects do sound a lot like Romanian (people said so in the comments here) and you can hear Greek influence in the sound as well. I also hear some Spanish too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMyZtuAXBtU&t=323s