BNP supporters call on Nick Griffin to quit as leader

[Beorn]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00635/news_griffin_635222a.jpg



Supporters of the British National Party have turned on Nick Griffin in the wake of their leader’s much-maligned performance on Question Time, and called for him to be replaced.
Divisions within the far-Right party were highlighted yesterday by a poll on a white extremist website that has strong links to the BNP: almost 30 per cent of respondents called on Mr Griffin to stand down as chairman.
The BNP leader has been the subject of various internal attacks since his nervous performance last week on the BBC’s much-vaunted political programme, which was watched by eight million viewers.

Lee Barnes, the BNP’s legal officer, accused Mr Griffin of failing to “press the attack” during the debate, while a variety of far-Right bloggers have called for him to be replaced by other senior members of the party, such as Richard Barnbrook, its London Assembly member, or Simon Darby, its deputy leader.

Yesterday supporters expressed their anger on Stormfront, a nationalist forum with the logo “White Pride Worldwide”. In a poll of more than 100 members, 30 per cent said that Mr Griffin should be replaced. Scores more have used the website to criticise his appearance on the programme, labelling it “disastrous”.
One, writing as “Smith”, said: “The facts are thus: we aren’t winning, QT didn’t help, it just made us look stupid and the intelligent amongst us want Griffin replaced.”

Another, Doriot, said: “To me is seems pretty obvious that the party has gone as far as it can under his leadership.”
Supporters said that Mr Griffin, who has a conviction for inciting racial hatred, had shown that he was incapable of leading the party forward because of his past.
Mr Griffin was widely derided for smirking during a discussion on the Holocaust. A variety of his comments, such as his description of Islam as a “wicked and vicious” faith, have been aired on the programme and in media reports.

A poster calling himself Stormdragon said: “The issue of past comments will always be used against him. It will be impossible to wipe away the endless tired quotes that the opposition role (sic) out every time he speaks.”
Another, RuthFinder, pointed out: “The baggage is a problem, but given the history of Nationalism (and let’s face it, some rather dubious characters linked to it along the way) what do you do about it? It will always be there.”
One Stormfront poster said that while Mr Griffin had been successful in gaining two European seats for the party, someone “who can engage with young people better and can perform better when challenged by the media” was needed.

The BNP has defended the performance, labelling Question Time “a witchhunt and a setup”, while Mr Griffin told The Times last week that he was “ganged up on” by other members of the panel.
The attacks come amid discontent about the leaking last week of the party’s membership for the second time.
However, despite the anger, Mr Griffin still enjoys support among grassroot supporters and a leadership takeover is unlikely in the near future — not least because of a lack of contenders.
Matthew Collins, from the anti-BNP organisation Searchlight, told The Times: “The party is so lacking in quality that Nick Griffin is the best they’ve got.”

Simon Darby, the deputy leader, and Martin Wingfield, former editor of the BNP’s monthly newspaper, Voice of Freedom, have been mooted as alternatives.
However, both are being paid to be as an assistant in the European Parliament to Mr Griffin, and are not considered to have a high enough profile to take on the role.
Other possibilities, such as Andrew Brons, the party’s other MEP, have not been members for long enough.


Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6891340.ece)

Haha! Since when did Stormfront become a reliable source? If we were to take SF as a source for the common held thoughts of the BNP, we'd all be blonde, blue eyed and singing shitty Nazi songs whilst drinking poor lager.





(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6891340.ece)

[Lysander]

Stormfront said so!? Stop the presses!
They are just trying to make the BNP look weak, they failed.

Besides, ANYONE can vote on stormfront, for all we know it might have been one Briton and 99 Germans voting.

[Mist]

SF seems to be similar to Aprocity, pan-European. I would think that they aren't to different from the posters here. But they are by no means representative for the average BNP member, which might be both negative and positive.

[MeorgeGichaels]

Bravo TheTimes! You've just given SF around 10,000 extra readers for the day and maybe 100 or 200 new members!

Basic lesson to the press. Never-Mention-Names-Of-Nutzie-Websites-Lest-People-Get-CURIOUS!

Idiots with beans on top.

As per the contents: 30% of Stormfront users who voted want him to resign? Wow. I'm surprised-I would have thought it was 100%. They never liked him, in fact-only the sensible ones like the BNP-the rest love the NF for being true to their word and not giving in to PC. Nick Griffin is not loved on SF and never will be. Who else is mentioned? Those bloggers. If he's referring to who I think he is, they never have liked Griffin either-come to think of it no one cares about them. Aside from that it's one tiny "officer" who probably had it in for him before-and would have loved to shove this in his face.

This article is useless

Still though, it has got me to think. Griffin has never been alltoopopular among a certain "demographic" of the BNP and some of the old boys, but-that said. Can you imagine what would have happened to the party had Colin Auty went ahead with contesting the leadership and won?

[The Lawspeaker]

SF seems to be similar to Aprocity, pan-European. I would think that they aren't to different from the posters here. But they are by no means representative for the average BNP member, which might be both negative and positive.

^ Wow.. nice comparison ! It shows that you don't know what The Apricity is like. Way to go, hatchling, comparing us to that filthy place which has more losers on it then that there are maggots on a corpse. You are bound to make a lot of friends here...

[Mist]

^ Wow.. nice comparison ! It shows that you don't know what The Apricity is like. Way to go, hatchling, comparing us to that filthy place called Stormfront which has more losers on one board then maggots on a corpse. You are bound to make a lot of friends here...

Someone said they are into being "blonde and blue-eyed". I disagreed because I think they seem not to care to much about that on SF. At least not on SFB, I don't see so much Nordicism there. There is no reason saying "our forum is better than theirs" Both this forum and SF has loads of members, and all are different and have different views (and intelligence). I just said the general feeling I get on both is that most are pan-European and not Nordicist. Sorry if I insulted the members on this forum for that.

[The Lawspeaker]

O.K. We have as much in common with Stormfront as that there are similarities between Norway and Zimbabwe.
Give your brain a chance....:rolleyes2:

But back on topic. The press must be desperate to get rid of Griffin and the BNP as they even lent their ears to members of Stormfront.

[Eldritch]

Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6891340.ece)

Haha! Since when did Stormfront become a reliable source? If we were to take SF as a source for the common held thoughts of the BNP, we'd all be blonde, blue eyed and singing shitty Nazi songs whilst drinking poor lager.





(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6891340.ece)



I used to post on Stormfront back when ice covered the Earth, and Atlantis was still above sea level.

But really -- they might as well go to the Niggermania forum for their sources. :rolleyes:

[Mist]

O.K. We have as much in common with Stormfront as that there are similarities between Norway and Zimbabwe.
Give your brain a chance....:rolleyes2:

Ok, I won't insult you back, not my style :) And no flame wars are needed.

Could you say some basic differences? I'm mainly talking about SF Britain here, you seem to often visit both SFB and this forum. Could you say some basic differences. I am new here so I won't say I know how it is here reallu, I shouldn't have said anything. I guess the difference is that SFB is more "White Nationalist", which many Europeans look down on.

[The Lawspeaker]

Ok, I won't insult you back, not my style :) And no flame wars are needed.

Could you say some basic differences? I'm mainly talking about SF Britain here, you seem to often visit both SFB and this forum. Could you say some basic differences. I am new here so I won't say I know how it is here reallu, I shouldn't have said anything. I guess the difference is that SFB is more "White Nationalist", which many Europeans look down on.

-We are dead serious and more easy-going, usually also more highbrow
-Ideology. People here come from all walks of life and all over Europe and her colonies. You won't find any wannabee nazi's here. As a matter of fact a lot of us here are libertarians. The chief admin is a socialist.
-The intelligence level is slightly higher here. By around 50 points- placing the average Stormfronter at around 65.
- There is no White Nationalist "Heil Hitler" "let's kill some wetbacks, spics, niggers and jews-bullcrap here.


Anyways- the number of differences are too great to number but just have a look around and judge for yourself. Comparing our forum to Stormfront is actually very insulting.

[Mist]

-We are dead serious and more easy-going, usually also more highbrow
-Ideology. People here come from all walks of life and all over Europe and her colonies. You won't find any wannabee nazi's here. As a matter of fact a lot of us here are libertarians. The chief admin is a socialist.
-The intelligence level is slightly higher here. By around 50 points- placing the average Stormfronter at around 65.
- There is no White Nationalist "Heil Hitler" "let's kill some wetbacks, spics, niggers and jews-bullcrap here.


Anyways- the number of differences are too great to number but just have a look around and judge for yourself. Comparing our forum to Stormfront is actually very insulting.


Interesting, I often see people on SF complaining about your last point, they want to "tidy it up" so to speak. That is what I meant that there are intelligent people on SF as well actually, but maybe more are still like you describe them. Also SFers are somewhat suspicious of everyone that aren't NS or WN, I agree.

In my first post I actually just meant to say that SF is not Germanic preservanoist. Everyone there that says blondes are better are quickly banned. The opposite is OK though, to say blondes are stupider :D

[RoyBatty]

SF seems to be similar to Aprocity, pan-European. I would think that they aren't to different from the posters here. But they are by no means representative for the average BNP member, which might be both negative and positive.

Are you nuts? :confused: :eek:

They're very different. Very stupid too for the most part.



Stormfront said so!? Stop the presses!
They are just trying to make the BNP look weak, they failed.

Besides, ANYONE can vote on stormfront, for all we know it might have been one Briton and 99 Germans voting.

Yeah... Stormfront, the source of the truth in rightwing circles. :D
I'm smelling bagels here and wondering whether a couple of agent-provocateurs aren't being put on the case to get the BNP fighting amongst themselves. While I don't think Griffin is the Tony Blair of the rightwing (and this is a compliment by the way) he could hardly be expected to come up trumps against an entire panel, a biased studio audience and rabid anarchists rioting outside.

The show was a stitch-up job and he was always going to have to take a couple on the chin and roll with the punches. The important thing is that the BNP made it to national TV! That in itself is a victory and something to build on. Bickering about leadership is exactly what the enemy wants them to do.

[Mist]

Are you nuts? :confused: :eek:

They're very different. Very stupid too for the most part.

I actually meant their ideology (pan-European), not intelligence. But it was wrong to bring it up, I apologize.

[RoyBatty]

To be honest with you, I'm not sure what the ideology here is anymore. It's become a bit abstract of late imo.

[Beorn]

I would think that they aren't to different from the posters here.

You'd be correct in part. SF does contain some very intelligent members, but unfortunately they are outnumbered 20-1 by stupid members whose sole purpose is to spam senseless nonsense which usually contains references to white power, Hitler, and repugnant racism.


But they are by no means representative for the average BNP member, which might be both negative and positive.

I think the BNP are quite diverse in the voters they attract. The point I was making is that on SF you get the members who are (as Roybatty mentioned) pining for the NF and the sell out the BNP became.

I've yet to see that opinion expressed here.

[Psychonaut]

To be honest with you, I'm not sure what the ideology here is anymore. It's become a bit abstract of late imo.

I don't think the ideology here has ever been pan-anything. If anything, I think the Apricity is more receptive to the kinds of postwar ethnic ideologies such as those of the Nouvelle Droite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouvelle_Droite) than to any kind of 19th century style ideas.

[Mist]

You'd be correct in part. SF does contain some very intelligent members, but unfortunately they are outnumbered 20-1 by stupid members whose sole purpose is to spam senseless nonsense which usually contains references to white power, Hitler, and repugnant racism.



I think the BNP are quite diverse in the voters they attract. The point I was making is that on SF you get the members who are (as Roybatty mentioned) pining for the NF and the sell out the BNP became.

I've yet to see that opinion expressed here.

Thank you for the reply,

I was a bit surprised that people were a bit insulted by my comparison, since who I had in mind were actually the intelligent posters on SF. I think that SF Britain has some of these posters, and of course there are many like you desribe as well, but I was thinking more of the well-spoken top contributors rather then the "haters", even though the intelligent may be in a minority.


On the subject of this thread, I think the average BNP members is very much in support of Nick Griffin, even many of the more hardcore members. I don't think that the BNP members would have turned against him even though his last appearance wasn't perfect. The BNP members probably have more loyalty to their leader because of all the negativity they recieve from the media, which makes them "tighter" as a party.

PS. About the pan-european thing, I just used that word because of the forum description and because it didn't exclude people from some certain part of Europe.

[Beorn]

What has to be remarked about BNP supporters is the more you throw at them, the more they close ranks.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I like Nick Griffin more and more and I thought this his performance on Question Time was good considering the opposition which was quite a wall!

Even if he were replaced by someone with a whiter background they could still be 'tainted' by their association with him.

He generally performs brilliantly when interviewed, and that Question Time was very biased against the BNP, so much so that the BBC might have to do it again, but properly.

I suspect the involvement of state agents and creatures such as the Communist-Zionist group Searchlight in attempting to sow the seeds of dischord. Stormfront is chock-full of naysayers, and some of them have been proved to be agents provocateurs working for the liberal establishment.

One such creature has been Richard Warman.

This is what a internet mole looks like:

http://www.richardwarman.com/pictures/warman2m.jpg


Complaints filed to CHRC: 26
Former employee and investigator at the Canadian Human Rights Commission
In December 2006, the Law Society shows he works for the Department of National Defence
Education: degree in Drama from Queens University
Member: Law Society of Upper Canada and EGALE Canada
Gave a Keynote speech to the Violent Anti-Racist Action
Warman is a frequent poster on "Neo-Nazi" Stormfront website
Warman is a frequent poster on "Neo-Nazi" VNN website.
Pretends to be a woman named “Lucie”
Has signed his posts with “88” (according to Warman means: Heil Hitler)
Has called Senator Anne Cools a "nigger" and a "c*nt" on the internet
Canadian Human Rights Tribunal have ruled that Warman's hate postings are “..both disappointing and disturbing” and Warman’s postings “…could have precipitated further hate messages in response.”


He has a whole anti-fan website dedicated to him:

http://www.richardwarman.com

Spook the spooks! :D

[Beorn]

He goes after David Icke a lot. The usual stuff is levelled ie: Anti-Semitism, blah blah.

[Liffrea]

Hmmm

I think publishing a poll result from SF is about as meaningful as wandering into a pub and asking for opinions…..it’s not really of any consequence, I’m surprised The Times managed to lower the bar of journalism even further, might as well have asked me what my dad thinks…..

As for SF, I posted regularly for about five years or more, usually in what was the Opposing Views section, I left because I agree that for every one person you do have trying to build a credible position you have about a hundred trying to undermine it. I got tired of that and the clannishness as well, if I didn’t see some Hitler worshipping nut job as a “comrade” you were suspect.

There are still some excellent posters on SF, a few I have had the pleasure of meeting in person, but I prefer the concept here at Apricity, that it doesn’t have an “ideological” standpoint is one of it’s advantages.

[ikki]

To be honest with you, I'm not sure what the ideology here is anymore. It's become a bit abstract of late imo.

Koffee Klatch.
Its one of the flamewarrior types. But also describes what loki is doing :p

[SwordoftheVistula]

I don't think the ideology here has ever been pan-anything.

It's officially 'pan-European', the rule is 'no attacks on other white groups', so for example while you can post "blacks are loud and obnoxious", a post of "Italians are loud and obnoxious" will be deleted and possibly result in a ban.

The 'critical mass' of StormFront has been after Griffin for a while for being a 'philo-semite' and 'pro-Zionist' and not 'naming the jew' and has had a running feud with Lee Barnes over this issue for years, so not exactly the ideal focus group for an opinion poll on Griffin's performance.

[Fortis in Arduis]

The utter stupidity, laziness, shoddy and corrupt journalism we see in this country amazes me.

The blatant nature of it is simply shocking.

Take the stories like this one with a misquote from me being used to assert a lie that I and others want to see Nick Griffin replaced as leader.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23761213-bnp-in-plot-to-get-rid-of-griffin.do

They still print and recycle the lie even though I have stated many time it is simply a lie.

Well the fact is that I have never said that we need a new leader.

We dont need one as the ONLY person in the BNP who can do the job is Nick Griffin.

If I had decided to say that Nick had to go then the first person I would have said that to is Nick - and I would have said it to him face to face and not on this blog.

What I have been telling Nick for a long time now that he needs to start playing as rough with the journalists as they play with him.

Hence the statement where I said 'he failed to press the attack'.

The reason why Nick failed to press the attack is because he is a nice guy.

Nick really does give journalists and people the benefit of the doubt, and as a result they abuse his trust and resort to bullying and lies.

This is utterly unfair.

Nick comes from a decent, well mannered nationalist middle class background and is one of those chaps who will go out of their way to be nice to people - especially journalists.

Seeing him getting kicked by them time after time is simply sickening.

The way Nick handled QT was the best manner possible in the circumstances.

If I had been on there I would have raged at the audience and the panel for their bullying, stupidity, hypocrisy and idiotic statements.

Thats why I am glad I wasnt invited on - as I would have fluffed it.

In the circumstances of that particular QT then Nick handled it in the best possible way - he was able to turn their bullying back on them by remaining lucid, calm and reasonable.

I doubt if many other 'nationalists' and none in the BNP could have kept their cool, dignity and honour as well as he did that night.

This is why media monkey chatter about a 'leadership challenge' is total nonsense.

It is simply the media trying to stir up trouble - which will fail, but as long as the BNP keep getting in the media headlines with the story then its all good publicity.

I have told Nick that now he needs to be more assertive and to begin to press the attack with the media.

The BNP are 'sexy'.

This means that whenever a media show, newspaper or TV programme has the BNP on or Nick Griffin on then viewing figures go through the roof.

The time has come to tell those media organisations that keep on doing what Adam Boulton did and QT did and persist in giving interviews where they bring up the issue of the statement Nick made on the Holocaust 25 years ago instead of asking questions about BNP policy and treating us with disrespect to fuck off.

Perhaps it is best that Nick does not do this - so what we need to do is simply put a few people on the media who are prepared to tear the interviewer a new arsehole each time they play that trick.

A few studio walk outs would generate mass publicity in the media as well as get across the point that we are not prepared to take the media bullshit anymore.

The British people are looking for a Peoples Champion, someone who will tell the truth and not be cowed by political correctness, the media and the desire to lick the arse of the White Liberal Middle Class and their Ethnic Middle Class Fellow Travellers.

The BNP is that Peoples Champion and Nick must become the voice of their anger.

Therefore we must transmit that anger - the anger of the unemployed, the families who are losing their houses due to the banks foreclosing on their mortgages, the families of the troops in foreign wars and our war dead, the Nationalist Middle Class who are seeing their jobs offshored, outsourced and taxes used to subsidise affirmative action and positive discrminination plans and to bail out the bankers.

This country is a seething cauldron of rage - and we must articulate that rage.

The only people who are not angry are the guilty - the White Liberal Middle Class, the Ethnic Middle Class and the rich bankers, the Bono Vox type cosmopolitan arseholes and the media scum who are paid to print bollocks and keep our people enslaved to lies and the corrupt Liberal / Labour / Tory / political establishment.

They are the enemy.

It is time that we started treated them like the enemy.

The media have demonstrated that they are corrupt, biased, hypocritical, lying scum.

Now we need to start treating them the way they are.

We dont lick the hand of those that hit us - we bite the hand that beats us.

We must start to develop an 'attitude' of anger, contempt and loathing for the media.

They will never support us.

They will never be fair to us.

The media are whores paid to do a job - which is to keep us out of power so the enemies of Britain can stay in power.

The media cannot be reasoned with.

The media cannot be seduced or wooed over to us.

The media are our mortal enemy and the mortal enemy of our people and nation.

Amongst them are a few decent sorts who agree with us, but the moment they express their real opinions they are sacked.

Therefore even the decent ones cannot afford to be fair to us.

In all revolutionary struggles the enemy must be identified and exposed.

The next time some journalist on The Guardian writes a story outing one of our people or putting the stolen BNP list online, then we find out where that journalist lives and put their home address online.

At the same time we find out who owns and runs the Guardian and do the same thing to them.

We know what to do.

We have watched the left, environmental protestors and fathers for justice do the same things for years.

We simply do the same thing and target the media owners and editors.

That way they become as accountable on their doorsteps for their actions as they seek to make us.

Only when the media realise that targeting us in their pages will be met with us exposing them, will they cease their exposures.

For far too long those like Viscount Rothermere, the owner of the Daily Mail, and other media owners have been able to hide in the shadows as their minions do their dirty work and put our people in danger of attack from lunatics, reds, Islamists and criminals.

The minute that these people who allow their staff to undertake such actions realise they can no longer hide in the shadows, is the moment they will stop doing it.

The day that a coach load of BNP supporters turn up at Viscount Rothermeres country mansion and estate, climb the walls and then have a tea party on his lawn with a load of banners and placards is the day that he will realise that power must be met with accountability.

Sure we will get arrested.

But whoever said victory can be gained without a cost.

This a struggle for the survival of our people, our nation and our culture.

The idea that we can win without paying a price is the ultimate fantasy.

I have had BNP disabled members ring me in tears after the Guardian released and publicised the BNP stolen list.

They have had death threats and vile abuse from idiots in their communities because the Guardian publicised and supplied the information to the wider public with the direct intent that we are attacked as a result of that information being provided to the public.

A week ago the technology editor of the Guardian wrote an article inciting people to hack the BNP site because he didnt have the balls to do it himself ;

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/10/guardian-technology-editor-incites-illegal-hacking-of-bnp-website/

A few days later this happened ;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/help/insideguardian/2009/oct/26/guardian-jobs-site-hack-data

Now thats what I am talking about.

Payback in kind.

An eye for an eye.

Of course the BNP had nothing to do with the hack on The Guardian site, but I am very glad that someone, somewhere taught the Guardian a lesson they really, really needed to learn.

I have had families ring me who have been driven from their homes as a result of local black criminal gangs in their inner city areas targeting them as a result of the leaked list.

We have all heard stories from people who the media have attacked with lies who have lost their jobs.

Therefore because the media will not stop targeting us, we must now target them.

We have nothing left to lose.


http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/10/bnp-to-get-rid-of-griffin.html

[Beorn]

Amen.

[Loki]

To be honest with you, I'm not sure what the ideology here is anymore. It's become a bit abstract of late imo.

I don't think this forum is supposed to espouse and enforce an ideology on anyone. Many members on Apricity have different ideologies. We can all learn from each other.

[RoyBatty]

The utter stupidity, laziness, shoddy and corrupt journalism we see in this country amazes me.

The blatant nature of it is simply shocking.

Take the stories like this one with a misquote from me being used to assert a lie that I and others want to see Nick Griffin replaced as leader.


It makes sense and it goes far beyond innocent "stupidity", "laziness" and "shoddy journalism".

What we're seeing is the old Goebbels "Big Lie" technique being used by the Libbie Luvvies in an attempt to sow discord amongst the BNP AND to discredit and make them appear hapless amongst the general public.




“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

~Josef Goebbels

[Fortis in Arduis]

What we're seeing is the old Goebbels "Big Lie" technique being used by the Libbie Luvvies in an attempt to sow discord amongst the BNP AND to discredit and make them appear hapless amongst the general public.

Yet, any publicity is good publicity, and every time the BNP is mentioned in the media a new brain cell develops in the minds of the sheeple.

Personally, at this point, I feel that victory is inevitable.

[Freomæg]

Of course Stormfront hates Nick Griffin - he doesn't blame the Jews for everything!

[Troll's Puzzle]

^ Wow.. nice comparison ! It shows that you don't know what The Apricity is like. Way to go, hatchling, comparing us to that filthy place which has more losers on it then that there are maggots on a corpse. You are bound to make a lot of friends here...

you're so fucking stupid! lmao.

your obsession with slagging other forums (the ones on the internet most similar to this one, incidentally :rolleyes:) to make yourself feel 'superior' has blinded you to the fact that you are posting on 'another' of those forums (and can comfortably 'pump yourself up' by newbie-bashing someone who isn't as specially endowed as you :D)

it's especially funny you made a group which says being 'banned at skadi' (another related forum, inded most of the staff here have come from there) is one of lifes 'great achievements' (some life huh) - when you haven't been banned from there, only had your bann carried over from 'the althing'. So you fail at even this 'great achivement' :D

personally I wish people could just see that there are dumb posters on every forum, and good posters, and just happily post on whichever they like best. But instead we get this bullshit tribalism from pseuds like yourself, slagging your nearest neighbours with crude generalisations (always the mark of an idiot) and wanton abuse :coffee:

[Troll's Puzzle]

Thank you for the reply,

I was a bit surprised that people were a bit insulted by my comparison, since who I had in mind were actually the intelligent posters on SF. I think that SF Britain has some of these posters, and of course there are many like you desribe as well, but I was thinking more of the well-spoken top contributors rather then the "haters", even though the intelligent may be in a minority.


I agree with others that the 'standard' may be lower on stormfront (but at least they are 'on topic'), but being the largest site, that's inevitable (just like the largest forum in any field)

all you need to remember is that humans are tribalistic, so if you compare people to those who they are really closes too, but prefer to think themselves aloof from, then they will feel insulted.

compare it to: rival football fans of neighbouring teams, nearby nations (england/ireland, germany/poland), rival boybands (I hear the brosettes vs. brother beyond feud in the 80's was vicious), rival forums... same shit :thumbs up