Provocation? NATO War Games On Russian Border.

[Baluarte]

Provocation? NATO War Games On Russian Border.

By Ria Novosti

http://www.globalresearch.ca/provocation-nato-war-games-on-russian-border-exercise-in-areas-that-are-a-30-second-jet-flight-from-russias-border/5356597

WASHINGTON: The United States and its European allies are set to begin military exercises near Russia’s western borders Saturday, a training operation that has raised hackles in Moscow but will be observed by a Russian Defense Ministry delegation.

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) will hold its Steadfast Jazz 2013 exercise primarily in Poland and the former Soviet republic of Latvia, a training that will include some 6,000 troops from the Western military alliance and partner nations.

The exercise, NATO’s largest since 2006, is based on a “fictitious scenario in a fictitious country” and will include land, air, maritime and special operations forces, according to the alliance.

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Officials in Moscow have long opposed NATO’s eastward expansion, which has brought former Warsaw Pact countries into the alliance’s fold along with former Soviet Baltic republics Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.

In late July, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov criticized what he described as the “Cold War” spirit of the NATO exercise.

The Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita reported in June that parts of the planned exercise would take place in areas that are a 30-second jet flight from Russia’s borders.

[alfieb]

Good.

Keep the commies in their place.

[Olika]

not interesting.again provocation...time start to act, we have already tired to wait.

[Loki]

Fuck NATO.

[Mehmet]

Russia does the same with Shangai alliance. China, Kazakhstan, Belarus and other Commies.
No big deal.

[Loki]

Russia does the same with Shangai alliance. China, Kazakhstan, Belarus and other Commies.
No big deal.

Really? Doing military exercises on America's borders?

[Loki]

It's time for Russia to move nukes to Kaliningrad.

[Windischer]

not interesting.again provocation...time start to act, we have already tired to wait.

really? "we"?
so a military exercise in a neighbouring country puts the lice-infested, sick bear into insecurity?
good. not everybody forgot that the bear used to be a tyrant. every land that was stomped by russian boots was plundered and fucked up. the bear is afraid that others arent nearly as afraid of it as they used to be. ;)

[Windischer]

It's time for Russia to move nukes to Kaliningrad.

its time for koenigsberg to be freed from russian occupation.

[Loki]

really? "we"?
so a military exercise in a neighbouring country puts the lice-infested, sick bear into insecurity?
good. not everybody forgot that the bear used to be a tyrant. every land that was stomped by russian boots was plundered and fucked up. the bear is afraid that others arent nearly as afraid of it as they used to be. ;)

You just hate Russia. Outdated Cold War mindset.

[Baluarte]

Russia does the same with Shangai alliance. China, Kazakhstan, Belarus and other Commies.
No big deal.

None of those countries is Communist. Not even the PRC which is unique-party capitalist dictatorship.

But unsurprising from a Turk to cheer for NATO against Russia.

[Acquisitor]

Really? Doing military exercises on America's borders?

Russian bombers enter NATO airspace or fly near NATO airspace all the time. They could be carrying nuclear weapons.

a small exercise with just 6 000 troops is a joke, a non event even.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Didn't Russia (and Belarus) not so long ago exercised along the polish border !? :rolleyes: Let them exercise, exercise is good for ones health :)

[Loki]

Good.

Keep the commies in their place.

Russia is no longer communist.

[Hoca]

Russia does frequent exercises with Armenia right on Turkish border, while Armenia is illegally occupying Azeri land. I don't think NATO is doing anything out of the ordinary. My feelings say that second cold war will start or better said it has already started.

[Olika]

really? "we"?
so a military exercise in a neighbouring country puts the lice-infested, sick bear into insecurity?
good. not everybody forgot that the bear used to be a tyrant. every land that was stomped by russian boots was plundered and fucked up. the bear is afraid that others arent nearly as afraid of it as they used to be. ;)
actually us already funny to hear threats and provocations from NATO.The bear somehow did not against the pull of American chickens for wings ;)

[sevruk]

Russia is no longer communist.

some retards still living Cold War xD

[gregorius]

Russia does frequent exercises with Armenia right on Turkish border, while Armenia is illegally occupying Azeri land. I don't think NATO is doing anything out of the ordinary. My feelings say that second cold war will start or better said it has already started.

you still crying ? Ofcourse we can do exercises if it's in our border.

[ALSh]

These exercises happen in regular bases, nothing new here.

[Mehmet]

None of those countries is Communist. Not even the PRC which is unique-party capitalist dictatorship.

But unsurprising from a Turk to cheer for NATO against Russia.

Nope.
They are still Commies.
Warsaw pact has been replaced by Shangai.
Socialist economy model was changed to State Capitalism; it's more free but there's still that strong state interfering, controlling and having the monopoly.
The phylosophy remains the same. Bureaucracy is still strong.

There's no freedom, democracy, free speech in these countries. They hate the free world.

Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Venezuela, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and some others are still led by the former (same in China) Communist party thugs.
The sign of the restaurant changed but the production is still the same.

Had Russia ever ceased to be Commie, it would have been friend with Westerners (and there would be no more need for Nato).

Russia empowers the yellow (China) man against the Western man.
It even tries to grab the support of Indians, Latinos and Blacks (South Africa, Angola etc..); and unite the rest of the world against the Western alliance.

[Hoca]

you still crying ? Ofcourse we can do exercises if it's in our border.

You can exercise until you weigh an ounch. Not that it is going to make a diference at the end. Haha. :cool: Azerbaijani are going to take it back sooner or later. They have finest army in the region after their big brother Turkey. They are just waiting for an opportunity to exercise their legal right to take back their legal land under international law.

[Cleitus]

WWIII is coming :viking

[bella1407]

Didn't Russia (and Belarus) not so long ago exercised along the polish border !? :rolleyes: Let them exercise, exercise is good for ones health :)

exactly:).

[gregorius]

You can exercise until you weigh an ounch. Not that it is going to make a diference at the end. Haha. :cool: Azerbaijani are going to take it back sooner or later. They have finest army in the region after their big brother Turkey. They are just waiting for an opportunity to exercise their legal right to take back their legal land under international law.

Oh oke, I was getting worried why they didnt do anything.

[bella1407]

Russia does frequent exercises with Armenia right on Turkish border, while Armenia is illegally occupying Azeri land. I don't think NATO is doing anything out of the ordinary. My feelings say that second cold war will start or better said it has already started.

Yeah right. What about Northern Cyprus?

[Hoca]

Oh oke, I was getting worried why they didnt do anything.

Azerbaijani have all the time in the world and they are living comfortably with their good economy. Armenia is second worst economy in the world and more and more Armenians are moving to US. The more Armenians leave the easier it will be to set accounts straight and give back Karabakh back to the rightful owners.


Yeah right. What about Northern Cyprus?

What about Cyprus? What about all the republics Russia occupies? If Russia had to give back all conquered land you would only have a land strip along the baltic.

[alb0zfinest]

Really? Doing military exercises on America's borders?

I dare them :D

[alb0zfinest]

Russia is no longer communist.

You're right. It's even worse. Now its a dictatorship disguised as a Capitalist country.

[gregorius]

Azerbaijani have all the time in the world and they are living comfortably with their good economy. Armenia is second worst economy in the world and more and more Armenians are moving to US. The more Armenians leave the easier it will be to set accounts straight and give back Karabakh back to the rightful owners.

You still are quoting that one link which is 2 years old I see, quite typical. Its true that we had the second strongest downfall. See btw last 2 years who is growing harder. We are already waiting 20 years for any response but it seems nothing will happen.

Anyway talking about occupied countries? Cyprus does there ring a bell ?

http://i43.tinypic.com/k2zqxl.png

They already had their oil peak xD How long do you think it will take before the whole country will collapse?http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Tree_map_export_2009_Azerbaijan.jpeg

[Acquisitor]

You're right. It's even worse. Now its a dictatorship disguised as a Capitalist country.

yes.

Both Yeltsin and Putin are ex members of the party who changed their official face for opportunistic purposes.

few things have changed in Russia politically since 1991.

[Mehmet]

Last month Putin moved 150.000 soldiers to Siberia for joint military exercises with China.
It wasn't against the few hundreds Chechens hiding in the caves of the Caucasus.
It's of course against Nato.

Russia has turned China into a threat for the entire world. They gave them their ideology, they gave them the secret of nukes and other technology.
If the West can't dispose of Russia ASAP, China will become uncontrollable. The West faces the risk to be extinct then.

Iran is also part of this alliance.

[Zmey Gorynych]

I dare them :D
Now they're really scared :)

[Loki]

If the West can't dispose of Russia ASAP

The West can't dispose of Russia. That's pretty much impossible.

[alb0zfinest]

Now they're really scared :)

As they should. Have you not heard of the wrath of the mighty gheg highlanders?
Anyways it seems I need not interfere the task is already accomplished.

Honestly, If the U.S hadn't gotten involved in so many wars in the middle east and other areas and actually gave aid to a few other those countries the power of Russia would have been a spec compared to the U.S. Now though that isn't the case. Now its gotten from a spec to a bee compared to a bear :D

[Hoca]

Last month Putin moved 150.000 soldiers to Siberia for joint military exercises with China.
It wasn't against the few hundreds Chechens hiding in the caves of the Caucasus.
It's of course against Nato.

Russia has turned China into a threat for the entire world. They gave them their ideology, they gave them the secret of nukes and other technology.
If the West can't dispose of Russia ASAP, China will become uncontrollable. The West faces the risk to be extinct then.

Iran is also part of this alliance.Russian army is inferior to NATO armies(which was different during cold war). Maybe if they build up they can match NATO
but the problem is that Russia doesn't have the money. Even in Black-sea their fleet in many many times inferior to Turkish fleet. They need at least couple of decades to catch up with us and that is only in Black-sea. The problem is that Russia is very big so they need to stretch out their army. Only countries they can threaten and beat are small countries like Georgia and Baltic states. Even more than conquering new places Russia has the problem of keeping their republics together. Don't forget Russia lost the first Chechen war, Russia only won second Chechen war because Chechens started fighting each other. China is also not in position to attack anybody. They are surrounded by very strong armies who resist Chinese expantion. Also China's economy is slowing down, they will have internal problems because of huge population and they can't be regional player.

[Scandalf]

Russian army is inferior to NATO armies(which was different during cold war). Maybe if they build up they can match NATO
but the problem is that Russia doesn't have the money. Even in Black-sea their fleet in many many times inferior to Turkish fleet. They need at least couple of decades to catch up with us and that is only in Black-sea. The problem is that Russia is very big so they need to stretch out their army. Only countries they can threaten and beat are small countries like Georgia and Baltic states. Even more than conquering new places Russia has the problem of keeping their republics together. Don't forget Russia lost the first Chechen war, Russia only won second Chechen war because Chechens started fighting each other. China is also not in position to attack anybody. They are surrounded by very strong armies who resist Chinese expantion. Also China's economy is slowing down, they will have internal problems because of huge population and they can't be regional player.

Yes their military force is extreemly reduced in size compared to the Cold War Era. They also lost their Blue Water capability. But they're still the most powerful rocket power (thus have a total deterent). And they keep investing in research. Some of their new hardware is state of the art.

[Mehmet]

Russian army is inferior to NATO armies(which was different during cold war). Maybe if they build up they can match NATO
but the problem is that Russia doesn't have the money. Even in Black-sea their fleet in many many times inferior to Turkish fleet. They need at least couple of decades to catch up with us and that is only in Black-sea. The problem is that Russia is very big so they need to stretch out their army. Only countries they can threaten and beat are small countries like Georgia and Baltic states. Even more than conquering new places Russia has the problem of keeping their republics together. Don't forget Russia lost the first Chechen war, Russia only won second Chechen war because Chechens started fighting each other. China is also not in position to attack anybody. They are surrounded by very strong armies who resist Chinese expantion. Also China's economy is slowing down, they will have internal problems because of huge population and they can't be regional player.

It's not Russia vs Nato.
It's Nato vs Shanghai.

When Russia sided with China in early 2000's, supporting the Chinese economy, people naively believed they were negotiating the entrance terms to the European Union.
:) Later when they sent the Varyag to China (which became China's first aircraft carrier, and they are building more), and took back Ukraine (the blondie anti-communist nice woman is jailed there), people started to understand that not much had changed in Russia.
The West got owned to be fair.

In East Mediterranean waters, Russia is currently the nation having the biggest naval forces presences (8 destroyers & fregates).
Neither Turks, nor Israel, not even the US are closer to them.
So how weak are they?

The Shanghai thugs block is expanding.
China overthrew the Buddhist monarchy in Nepal a few years ago; Maoists took the control.
Venezuela and Bolivia are next to join the alliance (they instigate hatred against the European, white rich people there).

They also try to take India along with them.
They also want African nations on their side; Angola, South Africa side with them.

:) Don't you remember the French interference in Mali some months ago?
Al Qaeda in Mali was created by France; Chinese were about to take it over otherwise.

[Acquisitor]

Last month Putin moved 150.000 soldiers to Siberia for joint military exercises with China.
It wasn't against the few hundreds Chechens hiding in the caves of the Caucasus.
It's of course against Nato.

Russia has turned China into a threat for the entire world. They gave them their ideology, they gave them the secret of nukes and other technology.
If the West can't dispose of Russia ASAP, China will become uncontrollable. The West faces the risk to be extinct then.
.

I think disposing of Turkey and its regime could be a much better idea. ;)

[Mehmet]

I think disposing of Turkey and its regime could be a much better idea. ;)

If a pro-Iran, pro-Russia regime takes office in Turkey; things won't get better for Israel.
Turkey will then leave the Nato-Israel sphere and would align itself to the communist one.

[Loki]

Al Qaeda in Mali was created by France

:picard1:

[Acquisitor]

If a pro-Iran, pro-Russia regime takes office in Turkey; things won't get better for Israel.
Turkey will then leave the Nato-Israel sphere and would align itself to the communist one.

the current regime in Turkey is already very anti Israeli, so who cares ?

either way, compared to Russia with its enormous natural resources, Turkey is a joke of a country, a non country, a laughable excuse of delusions of grandeur country :)

[RandoBloom]

you still crying ? Ofcourse we can do exercises if it's in our border.

Just like NATO can :)

[Mehmet]

the current regime in Turkey is already very anti Israeli, so who cares ?

either way, compared to Russia with its enormous natural resources, Turkey is a joke of a country, a non country, a laughable excuse of delusions of grandeur country :)

So is Israel.
By 'disposing of Russia', I didn't mean they should kill everyone there.
They should overthrow the regime. That's what I meant.

The current regime in Turkey built a radar base, to protect Israel against Iranian rockets.

[Baldur]

Russia does the same, this summer they did some "simulated" attacks on Sweden.

[gregorius]

Just like NATO can :)

Nato can exercise wherever they want if it is in their borders, I didnt say otherwise.

[Hercus Monte]

Fuck NATO.
why is it ok for Russia to illegally cross our borders and do simulated attacks on NATO territory(lithuania, latvia, estonia) on a monthly basis,
but wrong for NATO to do airspace security checks in their own territory and have defensive missile deflection programs(not some kind of secret bombs to attack russia)?

[Loki]

God loves Russia. This is a prophecy coming to fulfillment. Russia was consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?100347-Our-Lady-of-F%E1tima-apparitions-in-1917

[Windischer]

...said mr. atheist

[Windischer]

why is it ok for Russia to illegally cross our borders and do simulated attacks on NATO territory(lithuania, lavtia, estonia) on a monthly basis,
but wrong for NATO to do airspace security checks in their own territory and have defensive missile deflection programs(not some kind of secret bombs to attack russia)?
some people here dont live in a country that bears scars of russian occupation
their parents never warned them
so they live in a bubble.

[Hayalet]

Russia has turned China into a threat for the entire world. They gave them their ideology, they gave them the secret of nukes and other technology. If the West can't dispose of Russia ASAP, China will become uncontrollable. The West faces the risk to be extinct then. Iran is also part of this alliance.
Why would any of that trouble you?

[Han Cholo]

Countries that attempt to join NATO should be punished like Georgia.

[Lemon Kush]

NATO are the real criminals

[Hercus Monte]

not interesting.again provocation...time start to act, we have already tired to wait.

why are you complaining about us having defensive structures(not offensive structures) when you are arming yourself right next to our borders, militarizing the Kaliningrtad region, invading our airspace, simulating attacks on us.
AND WE'RE THE EVIL ONES?! why? Russia isn't doing those things just for fun, they are arming themselves for war, why are we 'evil' for having defense plans?

[Not a Cop]

why are you complaining about us having defensive structures(not offensive structures) when you are arming yourself right next to our borders, militarizing the Kaliningrtad region, invading our airspace, simulating attacks on us.
AND WE'RE THE EVIL ONES?! why? Russia isn't doing those things just for fun, they are arming themselves for war, why are we 'evil' for having defense plans?

Stop being butthurt, m8.

Russia was always surrounded by bunch of angry fucks and every time it had troubles some assholes invaded it, so no surprises that military is one of the main aims of Russia.

[Hercus Monte]

Stop being butthurt, m8.

Russia was always surrounded by bunch of angry fucks and every time it had troubles some assholes invaded it, so no surprises that military is one of the main aims of Russia.
m8, have you seen Europes military budget recently? the only one who's warmongering is you, not us.

[Methmatician]

A NATO exercise inside a NATO country? There must be an agenda :rolleyes:

[Drawing-slim]

Russia better behave , they playing playing with fire way too long now.
They're humiliating US by keeping Edward snowden there and exposing to the world new US secrets every week. Putin is being arrogantly out of line here.

[Olika]

why are you complaining about us having defensive structures(not offensive structures) when you are arming yourself right next to our borders, militarizing the Kaliningrtad region, invading our airspace, simulating attacks on us.
AND WE'RE THE EVIL ONES?! why? Russia isn't doing those things just for fun, they are arming themselves for war, why are we 'evil' for having defense plans?
you say ''we''?who are you?you have long been sold out to the West. and I speak about NATO as an organization of USA. other country in this matter does not interesting me. Lithuania nobody needs, do not worry.

[RandoBloom]

you say ''we''?who are you?you have long been sold out to the West. and I speak about NATO as an organization of USA. other country in this matter does not interesting me. Lithuania nobody needs, do not worry.

Yeah, everyone who doesnt bow down before the Russians the way Serbs and Greeks do is sold out to the west. How pathetic.

[Empecinado]

NATO is an army of occupation over Europe, even using terrorism against civilians to keep up their control (read about Gladio operation).

[Hercus Monte]

you say ''we''?who are you?you have long been sold out to the West. and I speak about NATO as an organization of USA. other country in this matter does not interesting me. Lithuania nobody needs, do not worry.
how are we sold out? there's a difference between being someone's serf and agreeing with them, we simply agree with them. do you understand?
and by the way, you didn't answer my question. why are you playing the victim? we simply patrol our own airspace, meanwhile you're INVADING ours.

[Olika]

how are we sold out? there's a difference between being someone's serf and agreeing with them, we simply agree with them. do you understand?
and by the way, you didn't answer my question. why are you playing the victim? we simply patrol our own airspace, meanwhile you're INVADING ours.
Russia defends its borders.NATO is already nearly surrounded us.if we talk about Lithuania.it's flowers and berries are ahead when Russia will deploy its missiles in Kaliningrad.

[Olika]

LOL, Olika :picard1:
что тебе не нравиться?

[Olika]

...

[Hercus Monte]

Russia defends its borders.NATO is already nearly surrounded us.if we talk about Lithuania.it's flowers and berries are ahead when Russia will deploy its missiles in Kaliningrad.
defending and invading are a different things. Do you not wonder why all your neighbors dislike the way Russia acts? I mean even Belarus doesn't trust you.

[Kiyant]

defending and invading are a different things. Do you not wonder why all your neighbors dislike the way Russia acts? I mean even Belarus doesn't trust you.

Well backstabbing little countries/ethnicies was always a form of russian politics.

[RandoBloom]

Russia defends its borders.NATO is already nearly surrounded us.if we talk about Lithuania.it's flowers and berries are ahead when Russia will deploy its missiles in Kaliningrad.

Yeah, you are defending your borders by etnicaly cleansing and ocupying Prussia.
You are also defending them by ocupying chechens, invading georgia and cutting of Gas when eastern european countries decide to take their fate into their own hands

[Philo]

So is Israel.
By 'disposing of Russia', I didn't mean they should kill everyone there.
They should overthrow the regime. That's what I meant.

The current regime in Turkey built a radar base, to protect Israel against Iranian rockets.
You really think the Israeli Air Force, one of the finest in the world, can't afford its own radars? :lol:
The current regime in Turkey is anti-Israeli at its core but they're also worried about a nuclear Iran.

[dralos]

not interesting.again provocation...time start to act, we have already tired to wait.
get out of germany you golddigger

[Olika]

defending and invading are a different things. Do you not wonder why all your neighbors dislike the way Russia acts? I mean even Belarus doesn't trust you.

We are all well with Belarus.all the neighbors who?

[Kiyant]

get out of germany you golddigger

Hey stop with insults like that.

[dralos]

Hey stop with insults like that.
wtf if you want the russian whore you wont get her by playing the white knight against me you mongol turk

[Kiyant]

I think some russians are thinking in the wrong way nobody here hates russia (i think) but russia always does always violate things in little neighbour countries and doesnt give a fuck about them.
But when those guys do something russia behaves like a little kid who cant have its way.

[Kiyant]

wtf if you want the russian whore you wont get her by playing the white knight against me you mongol turk

LOL you know personal insults like that are forbidden also im not doing it for "white kight" points also like i said you still live in the 12th century.

[SilverKnight]

Russia could wipe out NATO by itself.

[Kiyant]

Russia could wipe out NATO by itself.

That was a good one its funny how people are heavely overrating Russia.

[SilverKnight]

We are all well with Belarus.all the neighbors who?


Russia doesn't need to worry, with its superior air defense, very well trained soldiers, top-notch Sukhoi fighters and world's best nukes you guys are set.

[Hercus Monte]

We are all well with Belarus.all the neighbors who?
You actually think Belorussians like you? all of your European neighbors dislike the way you bully and push us around as if we're some kind of serf to you.
deal sister, we're not your serfs. nor do we appreciate you invading our airspace on a regular basis, and you think you have the moral high-ground to complain about us noticing it?!
has it crossed your mind that maybe Russia should try having proper relationships with their neighbors instead of threats 24/7. you could put those billions you spend on military into things that you actually need like refurnishing hospitals or paying pensions.

[Kiyant]

Russia doesn't need to worry, with its superior air defense, very well trained soldiers, top-notch Sukhoi fighters and world's best nukes you guys are set.

(Still had heavely losses against chechens and even lost the first chechen war)

[Empecinado]

I think some russians are thinking in the wrong way nobody here hates russia (i think) but russia always does always violate things in little neighbour countries and doesnt give a fuck about them.
But when those guys do something russia behaves like a little kid who cant have its way.

All world/regional powers do that, but for some people seems that only is wrong if Russia do it. When any other do the same or even worse acts nobody gives a fuck.

[SilverKnight]

That was a good one its funny how people are heavely overrating Russia.


(Still had heavely losses against chechens and even lost the first chechen war)


Gorillla warfare is always harder to fight off. Russia of now is much prepare to fight another Chechen war then before.

Dude, just google Russia's artillery, infantry training, tanks, weapons, fighters, anti-air defense, anti-sea defense, and most importantly nuclear arsenal, and you will see why they are the 2nd world power after us.

[Kiyant]

Gorillla warfare is always harder to fight off. Russia of now is much prepare to fight another Chechen war then before.

Dude, just google Russia's artillery, infantry training, tanks, weapons, fighters, anti-air defense, anti-sea defense, and most importantly nuclear arsenal, and you will see why they are the 2nd world power after us.

You know the the US is also in the nato...............

[Kiyant]

All world/regional powers do that, but for some people seems that only is wrong if Russia do it. When any other do the same or even worse acts nobody gives a fuck.

Because Russia constantly threathens all of its neighbours.

[Hercus Monte]

All world/regional powers do that, but for some people seems that only is wrong if Russia do it. When any other do the same or even worse acts nobody gives a fuck.
Nope, the USA trades with China and has an actually respectable relationship with that country. maybe their not best friends, not at least they don't embargo them for political reasons, let alone threaten them with military intervention.

[Olika]

You actually think Belorussians like you? all of your European neighbors dislike the way you bully and push us around as if we're some kind of serf to you.
deal sister, we're not your serfs. nor do we appreciate you invading our airspace on a regular basis, and you think you have the moral high-ground to complain about us noticing it?!

I lived in Ukraine and know environment, and how people relate to Russia and Russians. I know Belarus. this countries the important for us (for Russian people). there lives many Russians and we have one mentality. we have one history and we brothers. I have little interesting squabbling our politicians.

has it crossed your mind that maybe Russia should try having proper relationships with their neighbors instead of threats 24/7. you could put those billions you spend on military into things that you actually need like refurnishing hospitals or paying pensions.
Who do you teach...

[dralos]

first depart all those russians from western countries than you faggish slaves can insult superior western europeans and southern europeans bunch of faggish nutties
you cant even feed your own people and you act like tough guys LOL
pathetic creatures

[Kiyant]

first depart all those russians from western countries than you faggish slaves can insult superior western europeans and southern europeans bunch of faggish nutties
you cant even feed your own people and you act like tough guys LOL
pathetic creatures

wait wait wait you have quite the extrem view i think you sound like a chetnik only different version.

[Hercus Monte]

I lived in Ukraine and know environment, and how people relate to Russia and Russians. I know Belarus. this countries the important for us (for Russian people). there lives many Russians and we have one mentality. we have one history and we brothers. I have little interesting squabbling our politicians.

eastern Ukraine? Ukrainians are allot more split on the issue of Russia(do I need to remind you how many of them died when you decided to cut off gas supplies,) and Belorussians(not soviet Russian immigrants) are not that fond of you. and since when do you and Belorussians have the same history? Belarus was part of our state for most of their History, not yours.


Who do you teach...

I beg your pardon? would you mind rephrasing that since I have no Idea what your saying...

[Empecinado]

Nope, the USA trades with China and has an actually respectable relationship with that country. maybe their not best friends, not at least they don't embargo them for political reasons, let alone threaten them with military intervention.

Check out what they did in Europe, the Gladio operation is a fact. And they did so even against their allied countries.

[Hercus Monte]

Check out what they did in Europe, the Gladio operation is a fact. And they did so even against their allied countries.
care to joint the 21 century?

[Kiyant]

Check out what they did in Europe, the Gladio operation is a fact. And they did so even against their allied countries.

Gladio was actually a good thing if you think about it.

[Olika]

eastern Ukraine? Ukrainians are allot more split on the issue of Russia(do I need to remind you how many of them died when you decided to cut off has supplies,) and Belorussians(not soviet Russian immigrants) are not that fond of you. and since when do you and Belorussians have the same history? Belarus was part of our state for most of their History, not yours.


I beg your pardon? would you mind rephrasing that since I have no Idea what your saying...

What do you know?you was in Ukraine,Belarus?I lived in Western Ukraine for several years and do not you tell me stories.about Belarus I can say more we were even the one country.

[Hercus Monte]

What do you know?you was in Ukraine,Belarus?I lived in Western Ukraine for several years and do not you tell me stories.about Belarus I can say more we were even the one country.
I have been to Ukraine, yes. ( to quote Verka Serduchka - I want to see Russia Goodbye)
and I lived 20 kilometers from Belarus and know people who go to the European Humanities University( a Belorussian Uni in Vilnius) trust me they hate russian Foreign policy.

[Empecinado]

Gladio was actually a good thing if you think about it.

Are you a psycho, men?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Stragedibologna-2.jpg/350px-Stragedibologna-2.jpg

http://www.monografias.com/trabajos50/terrorismo-internacional/Image2647.jpg



Eastern Europeans obviously compare Russia with their European neighbours. It would make no sense for us to not complain just because somewhere something is doing more terrible things.

Anyway, Russia and Belarus have performed even wider scale military exercises near Lithuanian border, Western Russia and Konigsberg this September:


According to the information provided on the Russian Ministry of Defence’s website, the manoeuvres in the Russian territory involved about 9,400 troops, including about 200 from Belarus. About 180 items of military equipment, including 10 tanks, about 40 aircrafts and about 10 ships, were used during the exercises.

The part of the exercise in Belarus involved about 2,500 Russian troops.

Meanwhile, the information published on the Belarusian Ministry of Defence’s website shows that the exercise should have involved slightly more than 10,000 Belarusian troops, 350 items of armoured equipment, about 70 tanks, more than 50 items of artillery and over 50 airplanes and helicopters.

source (http://www.lithuaniatribune.com/52607/defence-minister-zapad-2013-was-a-larger-scale-than-mere-anti-terrorist-exercise-201352607/)

Ok I get the point, though it's not fair to compare Russia with neighbours but with other global powers like China and USA.

[Hercus Monte]

Ok I get the point, though it's not fair to compare Russia with neighbours but with other global powers like China and USA.
Russia is not a global power, they're a regional power.

[Kiyant]

Are you a psycho, men?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Stragedibologna-2.jpg/350px-Stragedibologna-2.jpg

http://www.monografias.com/trabajos50/terrorismo-internacional/Image2647.jpg




Ok I get the point, though it's not fair to compare Russia with neighbours but with other global powers like China and USA.

Well sometimes hard means must be taken.

[Empecinado]

Russia is not a global power, they're a regional power.

They are a global power even though if they were a regional one the same would apply. I'm not defending Russia, but I hate this double-standard.



Well sometimes hard means must be taken.

That was what Stalin thought before deporting your family from your homeland.

[Kiyant]

They are a global power even though if they were a regional one the same would apply.





That was what Stalin thought before deporting your family from your homeland.
Can not really be compared.

[Hercus Monte]

They are a global power even though if they were a regional one the same would apply.

Germany is a regional power, for some reason they don't pull stuff like that.

and if you think Russia's a global power you're overestimating their abilities.

[McCauley]

actually us already funny to hear threats and provocations from NATO.The bear somehow did not against the pull of American chickens for wings ;)

[McCauley]

actually us already funny to hear threats and provocations from NATO.The bear somehow did not against the pull of American chickens for wings ;)

America won, get over it. Your country sucks.

[dralos]

wich global power cant feed his own people and has millions of immigrants,in my opinion eu is much more of a global power than china or russia will ever be

[Empecinado]

Can not really be compared.

You are a psycho if you support Gladio, get over it.

Germany is a regional power, for some reason they don't pull stuff like that.

and if you think Russia's a global power you're overestimating them.

Are you serious? Germany is an occupied country with US bases inside and a limited army with a international relevance pretty low considering its big population numbers and economic importance.

Russia instead has a veto in the UN and a big nuclear arsenal, so of course is a world power.

[Philo]

Russia could wipe out NATO by itself.


That was a good one its funny how people are heavely overrating Russia.

QFT.

[Hercus Monte]

Are you serious? Germany is an occupied country with US bases inside and a limited army with a international relevance pretty low considering its big population numbers and economic importance.

Russia instead has a veto in the UN and a big nuclear arsenal, so of course is a world power.

germany doesn't Embargo their trade partners for political reasons, that's what I'm referring to.




Russia instead has a veto in the UN and a big nuclear arsenal, so of course is a world power.
that doesn't mean their a global power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower

[RandoBloom]

You are a psycho if you support Gladio, get over it.


Are you serious? Germany is an occupied country with US bases inside and a limited army with a international relevance pretty low considering its big population numbers and economic importance.

Russia instead has a veto in the UN and a big nuclear arsenal, so of course is a world power.


If germany wanted to put its economy on war footing they yould still whip your ass, like they did before. Russians are just cowards who hide behind nukes and torture small nations

[inactive_member]

What do you know?you was in Ukraine,Belarus?I lived in Western Ukraine for several years and do not you tell me stories.about Belarus I can say more we were even the one country.

Belarus and Lithuania was in the same political borders for a much longer period of time that it was with Russia. Lithuania & Belarus have the same history starting from around 1250 till 1918 (beginning in 1795 in the Russian empire together). Then between 1940-1991 in USSR together.

He is right about the ordinary Belarusians, who already switched their opinions in favour of EU. You can search on the subject. The friendship is between president Lukashenko and Russia rather than Belarus and Russia. It's for the reason Lukashenko is a good friend of Russia the West hates him wanting him to remove from the government.

[Empecinado]

germany doesn't Embargo their trade partners for political, that's what I'm referring to.

Since 1945 hey don't have enough sovereignty to do that if they wanted to.


If germany wanted to put its economy on war footing they yould still whip your ass, like they did before. Russians are just cowards who hide behind nukes and torture small nations

It is not so easy. To do that would be necessary that a dissident and nationalist sector of the secret service took over it.

[RandoBloom]

Since 1945 hey don't have enough sovereignty to do that if they wanted to.



It is not so easy. To do that would be necessary that a dissident and nationalist sector of the secret service took over it.

It doesnt matter what it takes. Germany wants to be peacefull. But if it wanted it could become stronger than any nation in Europe in matter of years.
And beat Russia to Ural mounains if Russians didnt have nukes

[SilverKnight]

You know the the US is also in the nato...............

I know duh but that means nuclear war at worst.. but I meant any attacks coming from Europe or Turkey could be defended very well.

[Hoca]

Olika could be Russian spy. Watch out:
http://www.thelmagazine.com/binary/67b7/1277824040-2010_06_spies.jpg

[Empecinado]

It doesnt matter what it takes. Germany wants to be peacefull. But if it wanted it could become stronger than any nation in Europe in matter of years.
And beat Russia to Ural mounains if Russians didnt have nukes


To be peaceful or not simply does not depend from the ones who "rule" Germany nowadays, so it's idiotic to think that Germany wants to be peacuful (or the opposite).

[RandoBloom]

To be peaceful or not simply does not depend from the ones who "rule" Germany nowadays, so it's idiotic to think that Germany wants to be peacuful (or the opposite).

Dear God, why do pro Russkies always have some conspiracy theories about countries which dont do what they want them to do.

[inactive_member]

Guys, the military exercises are a show off. Don’t take them seriously. Russia has no capacity or plans to invade any country at the moment, while the West has already adopted a long term strategy of containing Russia within its borders bringing smaller states around Russia into their economic and political fold.

There’s no need to attack the country that has lost a lot of territories twice in the last 100 years, and may collapse again under its own weight in the next 50-70 years unless it begins investing in the development of their own regions. It’s a possibility which is often discussed in Russia.

A show off more than anything.

[Empecinado]

Dear God, why do pro Russkies always have some conspiracy theories about countries which dont do what they want them to do.

I'm not pro-Ruski and it's not a conspiracy theory that Germany is an occupied country. Your knowledge of geopolitics is 0.

[RandoBloom]

I'm not pro-Ruski and it's not a conspiracy theory that Germany is an occupied country. Your knowledge of geopolitics is 0.

Yeah. In order for them not to be ocupyied they need to cut all ties with USA :D

[Empecinado]

Yeah. In order for them not to be ocupyied they need to cut all ties with USA :D

They need to rid of US bases, recover their sovereignty and follow their own agenda. Anyway I don't think they would want war though.

[justme]

Come on seriously! Everyone knows that Germany is the most powerful European country... They can easily destroy Russia.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Come on seriously! Everyone knows that Germany is the most powerful European country... They can easily destroy Russia.

They tried that in WW2, did not work out well for them ;)

[justme]

They tried that in WW2, did not work out well for them ;)
That's because Russia had Britian Poland France And USA... Imagine Russia alone against Germany alone... Germany can destroy them easily.

[Stefan_Dusan]

That's because Russia had Britian Poland France And USA... Imagine Russia alone against Germany alone... Germany can destroy them easily.

What are you talking about? Germany had Italy and Japan and numerous other smaller powers. Poland and France were conquered by then and Germany drew troops from sympathetic and fascist Vichy French and Germany still got crushed :D

As to USA they put boots on the ground in 1943 when Germany had already lost the war, and those boots were in Italy.

[Arend]

Come on seriously! Everyone knows that Germany is the most powerful European country... They can easily destroy Russia.Lolwut...

Germany has massive economic power but only limited military power and little political power thanks to Washington and Brussels. Besides, we have absolutely no quarrel with Russia.

[RandoBloom]

They need to rid of US bases, recover their sovereignty and follow their own agenda. Anyway I don't think they would want war though.

Why would they get rid of the bases? The Russia is nearby and US troops there ensure that Russia doesnt attempt enrcoachment on Germany and thus giving germany room to concentrate on economy

[justme]

Lolwut...

Germany has massive economic power but only limited military power and little political power thanks to Washington and Brussels. Besides, we have absolutely no quarrel with Russia.
Yeah that is true..

[RandoBloom]

What are you talking about? Germany had Italy and Japan and numerous other smaller powers. Poland and France were conquered by then and Germany drew troops from sympathetic and fascist Vichy French and Germany still got crushed :D

As to USA they put boots on the ground in 1943 when Germany had already lost the war, and those boots were in Italy.
Yeah they got crushed after 6 years of war against the greatest empire in history, against largest economy of the world and against largest country in the world :D

[Empecinado]

Why would they get rid of the bases? The Russia is nearby and US troops there ensure that Russia doesnt attempt enrcoachment on Germany and thus giving germany room to concentrate on economy

The bases are not there to "protect from Russians" but to occupy Germany. We're not in 1939, man.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Yeah they got crushed after 6 years of war against the greatest empire in history, against largest economy of the world and against largest country in the world :D

Germany lost against Russia, not USA. Look how many German troops died on the eastern front and look how many died at hands of UK + USA soldiers on the western front. It's overwhelming (to tune of 90+%) on the eastern front.

Not to mention USA was only involved in 1943 when Germany already had her ass kicked and Germany had many allied, Italy, Japan, Vichy France, many small Euro countries like Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria and list goes on. Even the arab world was on Germany's side due to UK colonial possessions.

[justme]

Anyways I don't think Russia is the most powerful European country.. Sorry but they aren't.. They can't even get Britain or France to support them in most cases today, even with threats they can't.
I think America is the most powerful country in the world.. But some of you may say Russia..

[Kiyant]

Germany lost against Russia, not USA. Look how many German troops died on the eastern front and look how many died at hands of UK + USA soldiers on the western front. It's overwhelming (to tune of 90+%) on the eastern front.

Not to mention USA was only involved in 1943 when Germany already had her ass kicked and Germany had many allied, Italy, Japan, Vichy France, many small Euro countries like Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria and list goes on. Even the arab world was on Germany's side due to UK colonial possessions.
"Russia" won thanks to its minorities and its length.

[RandoBloom]

Germany lost against Russia, not USA. Look how many German troops died on the eastern front and look how many died at hands of UK + USA soldiers on the western front. It's overwhelming (to tune of 90+%) on the eastern front.

Not to mention USA was only involved in 1943 when Germany already had her ass kicked and Germany had many allied, Italy, Japan, Vichy France, many small Euro countries like Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria and list goes on. Even the arab world was on Germany's side due to UK colonial possessions.

Yeah sure. Total devastation of German industrial and war capacities trough bombing and naval blockade is irrelevant, right?
Not like the Germans could defeat the Russians if they could create as much tanks as they could
Also not to forget are donations of raw materials and military supplies by Allies and US trough entire war

[RandoBloom]

The bases are not there to "protect from Russians" but to occupy Germany. We're not in 1939, man.

They are there to protect against Russians. Anyone thinking otherwise is sneaky evil rusky. Without those bases the Russia would push germany around

[Stefan_Dusan]

Yeah sure. Total devastation of German industrial and war capacities trough bombing and naval blockade is irrelevant, right?
Not like the Germans could defeat the Russians if they could create as much tanks as they could
Also not to forget are donations of raw materials and military supplies by Allies and US trough entire war

You think Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad weren't bombed to pieces :D

Germany had pretty much all of continental Europe at her disposal and she couldn't take Russia. She didn't run out of Tanks but Germans.

[Stefan_Dusan]

"Russia" won thanks to its minorities and its length.

Even today Russia is 70-80% ethnic Russian. Those minorities didn't do much more than their share of population. So consider their contribution 20% of the war effort.

[Hoca]

Germany lost against Russia, not USA. Look how many German troops died on the eastern front and look how many died at hands of UK + USA soldiers on the western front. It's overwhelming (to tune of 90+%) on the eastern front.

Not to mention USA was only involved in 1943 when Germany already had her ass kicked and Germany had many allied, Italy, Japan, Vichy France, many small Euro countries like Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria and list goes on. Even the arab world was on Germany's side due to UK colonial possessions.TMost Germans died because of cold. Russia gets her ass saved by the winter every single time. If Germans invaded couple of months earlier than they wouldn't be stuck in the winter and Russians would be pooched. Also if you look at the ratio, much more Russians died than Germans on the eastern front.

For some reasons Germans got delayed for operation barbarosa and they got stuck in the winter, their tanks and armored vehicles couldn't move so the whole plan of hilter of waging "blitz krieg" or lightening war didn't work out because they were stuck in the winter.

[Stefan_Dusan]

TMost Germans died because of cold. Russia gets her ass saved by the winter every single time. If Germans invaded couple of months earlier than they wouldn't be stuck in the winter and Russians would be pooched. Also if you look at the ratio, much more Russians died than Germans on the eastern front.

Haha it wasn't the cold, but the mud that slowed Germany blitzkrieg. The cold killed more Russians than Germans, and wasn't much effect in war. What you just recite is history 101, my clueless Turk friend.

And ofc more Russians died, it wasn't Russia vs Germany but Russia vs Germany and all her Eastern European and Western European foreign divisions.

[RandoBloom]

You think Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad weren't bombed to pieces :D

Germany had pretty much all of continental Europe at her disposal and she couldn't take Russia. She didn't run out of Tanks but Germans.

Factories were transported over Ural and produced tanks and weapons for the entire war.
Germany ran out of resources thanks to Allied bombing. If it was Germany against Soviets allone they would anihilate soviets completely.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Factories were transported over Ural and produced tanks and weapons for the entire war.
Germany ran out of resources thanks to Allied bombing. If it was Germany against Soviets allone they would anihilate soviets completely.

Haha it was never Germany alone, then they couldn't use help from Hungary, Italy, romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Poland Vichy France, Baltic states etc like they did. If it was purely Germany vs Soviets there would be no more German race ;)

[Mehmet]

Check out what they did in Europe, the Gladio operation is a fact. And they did so even against their allied countries.

Are you a Republican, Communist Spaniard btw?
The Communist party had won the elections in Italy, with 39%, then Nato destroyed them through Operation Gladio.
Fighting Communism isn't only fighting the armed wing of a Marxist-Leninist party; if people vote the left they should be convinced, by all means, not to do so.

A similar operation was staged after 1977 in Turkey, when Leftists got around 45% (including first party) of votes.
It ended up with a military putsch and the destruction of the Left.
Since back then, leftists have never obtained more than 28-29%.

[Hoca]

Haha it wasn't the cold, but the mud that slowed Germany blitzkrieg. The cold killed more Russians than Germans, and wasn't much effect in war. What you just recite is history 101, my clueless Turk friend.

And ofc more Russians died, it wasn't Russia vs Germany but Russia vs Germany and all her Eastern European and Western European foreign divisions.
It was the mud and the cold Serb friend. If the tanks and vehicles of the Germans weren't slown down, Russia would be knocked out in round one because of Hitler's suprise attack and his lightening war as he called it. After failed invasion and bad planning it was too late for Germany, she waited too long and US came to the rescue. Russia didn't beat the Germans, Germany was attacked from both flanks. Kind of lame to give only credit to Russians.

[Arend]

Why would they get rid of the bases? Why would we want to keep them? It is not like that they have any use for us (but quite the contrary for the Americans actually). You can have them, if you want.

The Russia is nearby Berlin – Smolensk 1.254.87 km. That’s not exactly nearby.

Anyone thinking otherwise is sneaky evil rusky. Better a sneaky evil rusky than an evil obese yank.

US troops there ensure that Russia doesnt attempt enrcoachment on Germany and thus giving germany room to concentrate on economy

They are there to protect against Russians. Anyone thinking otherwise is sneaky evil rusky. Without those bases the Russia would push germany aroundEhhh what? Russia is not threating us in any way. The Soviets left East Germany in 1994, but the Americans that were supposedly here to “protect” us from the Soviets are still here. And they will not leave anytime soon.

[Stefan_Dusan]

It was the mud and the cold Serb friend. If the tanks and vehicles of the Germans weren't slown down, Russia would be knocked out in round one because of Hitler's suprise attack and his lightening war as he called it. Russia didn't beat the Germans, Germany was attacked from both flanks. Kind of lame to give only credit to Russians.

Germany was not attacked on both flanks when she invaded Russia. By 1943 Germany had already been kicked out of Stalingrad and Leningrad and the war was lost. This was before any western european front was open.

And maybe without the mud Germany would have taken Moscow but as Napoleon learned, that's a long ways from conquering Russia ;)

[Empecinado]

Are you a Republican, Communist Spaniard btw?

No.


The Communist party had won the elections in Italy, with 39%, then Nato destroyed them through Operation Gladio.
Fighting Communism isn't only fighting the armed wing of a Marxist-Leninist party; if people vote the left they should be convinced, by all means, not to do so.

A similar operation was staged after 1977 in Turkey, when Leftists got around 45% (including first party) of votes.
It ended up with a military putsch and the destruction of the Left.
Since back then, leftists have never obtained more than 28-29%.


NATO's "stay-behind" organizations were never called upon to resist a Soviet invasion, but their structures continued to exist after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Internal subversion and "false flag" operations were explicitly considered by the CIA and stay-behind paramilitaries. According to a November 13, 1990 Reuters cable,[16] "André Moyen – a former member of the Belgian military security service and of the [stay-behind] network – said Gladio was not just anti-Communist but was for fighting subversion in general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Bologna massacre. 85 civilians were killed by NATO intelligence services, they were also "leftists"?

[Hoca]

Germany was not attacked on both flanks when she invaded Russia. By 1943 Germany had already been kicked out of Stalingrad and Leningrad and the war was lost. This was before any western european front was open.

And maybe without the mud Germany would have taken Moscow but as Napoleon learned, that's a long ways from conquering Russia ;)
They wouldn't even only taken Moscow but also industrial center of Russia plus Germany would have access to Baku oil fields so they wouldn't have suffered of fuel shortage. From there it would be shooting ducks for Germans. Don't compare Napoleon to WW2 warfare, in both wars Russians got saved by the winter, but Russians would be pretty much f-ed up, since Germany would have access to oil fields and food supplies from Europe and Russia would have Siberia, which is desert. Good luck to the Russians .. lol

Probably if US didn't came to the rescue, there wouldn't be any Slavic or Gypsies in Europe, Hitler was planning to whipe out Slavic race.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Probably if US didn't came to the rescue, there wouldn't be any Slavic or Gypsies in Europe, Hitler was planning to whipe out Slavic race.

Haha my dumb Turk friend, at least Serbs wiped your kind out of Balkan. ;)

What you say is pure stupidity and conjecture so no need to address any argument above.

[Mehmet]

No.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Bologna massacre. 85 civilians were killed by NATO intelligence services, they were also "leftists"?

If you are Atheist and anti-Nato, it's very obvious that yes you are.

If Leftists weren't prevented from seizing power, how many people would have been killed in the aftermath?

You know what happened in... Russia, Ukraine, Cambodia, East Germany, Anarchist- & Republican-occupied Spanish territories, ...
85 Leftist militants are a drop in the ocean. Yes it's sad, but it was a (cold) war.

[Hoca]

Haha my dumb Turk friend, at least Serbs wiped your kind out of Balkan. ;)

What you say is pure stupidity and conjecture so no need to address any argument above.
We had the chance to whipe every single Serbian for 400 years bitch. Don't think you are superior because you are more animal. I'm just telling you that Russians wouldn't have chance if they lost against Germans in operations barbarossa. What resources does Russia have in Siberia? They wouldn't even have food to fill their stomachs.

[Stefan_Dusan]

We had the chance to whipe every single Serbian for 400 years bitch. Don't think you are superior because you are more animal. I'm just telling you that Russians wouldn't have chance if they lost against Germans in operations barbarossa. Would resources does Russia have in Siberia? They wouldn't even have food to fill their stomachs.

lol don't call me a bitch, I saw your pictures your the pretty boy here :D

I don't give shit about Turkish opinions of WW2 especially pretty boy Turk like you. Let me tell you funny story, when I was in Beograd last August, late at night I saw this Balkan looking guy with this Asian girl. Thinking it was Serbian guy I crashed their table to see how he found Asian pussy in Balkan. Well I begin in Serbian and he bluntly says I'm not Serbian in English. So I guess Albanian, and he replies no I'm not Albanian. So I ask him where are you from? And the motherfucker wouldn't answer :D Lol my cousin goes: Your from Balkan for sure, I can tell. So after much back and forth he finally admits he's a Turk. He did it weakly thinking I'm some nationalist whose gonna make him problems. So I made "joke" about Turkey trying to conquer Serbia for 300-400 years and he whimply replies: That's the past man, I love Serbia now, I'm here without problems. So I told him I was just joking :D

Point being hoca, you're big Turk on internet but little Turk bitch irl :D

[Empecinado]

If you are Atheist and anti-Nato, it's very obvious that yes you are.

Lol, yes I'm Communist and I carry an avatar of Millán Astray, who was Communist as well xD There are Atheist of all ideologies and all the Spanish nationalists are strongly anti-NATO.


If Leftists weren't prevented from seizing power, how many people would have been killed in the aftermath?

You know what happened in... Russia, Ukraine, Cambodia, East Germany, Anarchist- & Republican-occupied Spanish territories, ...
85 Leftist militants are a drop in the ocean. Yes it's sad, but it was a (cold) war.

That's bullshit, as I posted the Gladio objetives had nothing to do about "stop the left" but about the Strategy of Tension. ETA terrorist group was Marxist-Leninist and was created by CIA, as well the revolts of May 1968.

[Hoca]

lol don't call me a bitch, I saw your pictures your the pretty boy here :D

I don't give shit about Turkish opinions of WW2 especially pretty boy Turk like you. Let me tell you funny story, when I was in Beograd last August, late at night I saw this Balkan looking guy with this Asian girl. Thinking it was Serbian guy I crashed their table to see how he found Asian pussy in Balkan. Well I begin in Serbian and he bluntly says I'm not Serbian in English. So I guess Albanian, and he replies no I'm not Albanian. So I ask him where are you from? And the motherfucker wouldn't answer :D Lol my cousin goes: Your from Balkan for sure, I can tell. So after much back and forth he finally admits he's a Turk. He did it weakly thinking I'm some nationalist whose gonna make him problems. So I made "joke" about Turkey trying to conquer Serbia for 300-400 years and he whimply replies: That's the past man, I love Serbia now, I'm here without problems. So I told him I was just joking :D

Point being hoca, you're big Turk on internet but little Turk bitch irl :D
You call me pretty boy, have you looked at your own avatar? HAHAHA, naked plus giving a pose

[Stefan_Dusan]

You call me pretty boy, have you looked at your own avatar? HAHAHA, naked plus giving a pose

lol ;) Hoca I'm getting turned on by your flirting :D I don't have a BBC dildo to help you sodomize you with but I have barretta I guess that big enough for you, it's also black barrell :D

[Mehmet]

Lol, yes I'm Communist and I carry an avatar of Millán Astray, who was Communist as well xD There are Atheist of all ideologies and all the Spanish nationalists are strongly anti-NATO.



That's bullshit, as I posted the Gladio objetives had nothing to do about "stop the left" but about the Strategy of Tension. ETA terrorist group was Marxist-Leninist and was created by CIA, as well the revolts of May 1968.

Eta was Catholic at the same time. They are a whole different story.
Gladio was a perfect anti-Communist operation, it was efficient and reached it's goal of conception.
Discussing if you love it or not, it's like discussing why one believes in a certain religion/ideology or not.
It's pointless.

[Hoca]

lol ;) Hoca I'm getting turned on by your flirting :D I don't have a BBC dildo to help you sodomize you with but I have barretta I guess that big enough for you, it's also black barrell :D

I don't know how you went from WW2 to black dildo's. Your brain is wired not the same as mine I guess. You are probably a homosexual. Repent and surrender to Jesus.

[Empecinado]

Eta was Catholic at the same time. They are a whole different story.
Gladio was a perfect anti-Communist operation, it was efficient and reached it's goal of conception.
Discussing if you love it or not, it's like discussing why one believes in a certain religion/ideology or not.
It's pointless.

Gladio was a perfect anti-sovereignty of countries operation, with the collaboration of a Masonic lodge, and killed not only Communist but nationalists and civilians as well. There is no discusion, if you like it you are really messed up.

[mint]

Russia had quite big support for Nazi Germany and it's policies, prior Germany attacked them.

And if you look out some actual death toll, it's obvious, which states were most rebellious.

[justme]

Haha it was never Germany alone, then they couldn't use help from Hungary, Italy, romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Poland Vichy France, Baltic states etc like they did. If it was purely Germany vs Soviets there would be no more German race ;)
Soviet Union also had other states in it that didn't like Russia.. Such as Latvia, and Estonia.. So they Soviets might not even win if it was only Soviets verses Germany.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Soviet Union also had other states in it that didn't like Russia.. Such as Latvia, and Estonia.. So they Soviets might not even win if it was only Soviets verses Germany.

If you know history the Soviet Union of pre-WW2 had dramatically different boundaries than post WW2. All the Baltic states fought with Hitler, including your crush, the Lithuanians ;)

[inactive_member]

If you know history the Soviet Union of pre-WW2 had dramatically different boundaries than post WW2. All the Baltic states fought with Hitler, including your crush, the Lithuanians ;)


Nazi failed to establish SS legions after trying few times in Lithuania. So, Lithuania never had SS legions.


Later, the Germans no longer tried to establish a Lithuanian SS legion, calling the Lithuanians worthless. The Gestapo (Geheime Staatspolizei, German secret police) publicly blamed the Lithuanian intelligentsia for being too numerous and hindering the German war effort. The Gestapo also threatened to send additional members of the intelligentsia to concentration camps. A group of 16 journalists was deported to Stutthof in April 1943. Threats were made to bring two SS legions to Lithuania to teach the Lithuanians a lesson. The Lithuanian administration, composed of councilors, was threatened with replacement by a government based on the German-imposed Polish model.
http://www.lituanus.org/1986/86_4_02.htm



There was a short-lived Lithuanian Territorial Defense Force (the LTDF) created and disbanded in 1944 which never engaged in any major battles. The defense force was disbanded because the commanders of the LTDF disobeyed the orders given by the Germans. So, the LTDF wasn't trusted by the Germans. Many the LTDF soldiers formed anti-soviet resistance known as Forest Brothers. It was a fierce resistance lasting between 1944-1956 against soviet occupation and collectivasations. Soviet authorities questioned if it was feasible to establish collective farms in Lithuania, such was the resistance in the country. They had every right to defend their country.


Plechavičius and his chief of staff Colonel Oskaras Urbonas, were arrested on May 15.[2][7] Jeckeln and Hintze delivered a speech before the remaining LTDF officers accusing them of banditry, sabotage, and political agenda and threatening them with executions and transfers to concentration camps. Jeckeln announced that LTDF was to be disbanded and disarmed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Territorial_Defense_Force


As for collaborating with Nazi during WWI, it was widespread in all occupied territories of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Crimea, north Caucuses, the Baltic countries. Russia had the highest number of collaborators in absolute numbers. Ukraine had SS Division "Galizien". The entire population of Crimean Tatars were deported out of Crimea as pay back for collaboration. I cannot see something awfully terrible done in Lithuania during the war that wasn't happening in other regions of USSR. In fact , there were far more war crimes committed elsewhere than in Lithuania. Today, politicians turn a blind eye on collaboration happening in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, while use the fact against Latvia and Estonia. Nazi collaboration is being politicised today.

[McCauley]

If you know history the Soviet Union of pre-WW2 had dramatically different boundaries than post WW2. All the Baltic states fought with Hitler, including your crush, the Lithuanians ;)

Nah, on the eastern front the German-Soviet casualty ratio was 2:1. That's a huge margin, for every 1 German that died, two Russians went down. The Germans were outnumbered, but were vastly better equipped, were more organized, and had better leadership. Soviet strategy consisted of throwing human waves at the German lines until they were simply overwhelmed. Zhukov and the rest were not exactly top class generals. The Germans had Generals like Keitel, Manstein, and Rommel who were far better than anybody the Russians had. The Russian T tanks were more versatile and much more numerous, though, so Russia did have the advantage in tank warfare.

But regardless, I think Germany could have crushed the Soviets if it was just Germany vs. the SSSR. The Germans were fighting two fronts on the east and west, that made the difference.

But I agree that they did needed the troops that they levied from their subject states.

People call it collaboration, but that's bullshit. The Baltic countries and Eastern Europe didn't "collaborate" with Nazi Germany, the feared German military power and didn't have a choice, they either aided Germany or would have been taken over.

[RandoBloom]

lol ;) Hoca I'm getting turned on by your flirting :D I don't have a BBC dildo to help you sodomize you with but I have barretta I guess that big enough for you, it's also black barrell :D

You dont even speak your native language. I doubt you crashed their tables.
I would also like to see how Serbs behave when surounded by Turkish nationalists.

[Olika]

Belarus and Lithuania was in the same political borders for a much longer period of time that it was with Russia. Lithuania & Belarus have the same history starting from around 1250 till 1918 (beginning in 1795 in the Russian empire together). Then between 1940-1991 in USSR together.

He is right about the ordinary Belarusians, who already switched their opinions in favour of EU. You can search on the subject. The friendship is between president Lukashenko and Russia rather than Belarus and Russia. It's for the reason Lukashenko is a good friend of Russia the West hates him wanting him to remove from the government.
for Belarusians closer Russians in spirit, mentality,language.I know that in the post-Soviet countries formed many Russophobes,who like to look cons in Russia rather than in their own country. for them the main thing that in Russia everything was bad.why is it only happens on the internet and for example when I come in Belarus or the Ukraine with so I did not encounter.

[inactive_member]

for Belarusians closer Russians in spirit, mentality,language.I know that in the post-Soviet countries formed many Russophobes,who like to look cons in Russia rather than in their own country. for them the main thing that in Russia everything was bad.why is it only happens on the internet and for example when I come in Belarus or the Ukraine with so I did not encounter.

The Russian spirit? How predictable. ;)

The Belarusians are generally friendly to all their neighbours including the Russians. Just because you were treated nicely in Belarus doesn't mean people share the same mentality, opinion on political matters or 'the spirit'. :) The opinion in Belarus has already swayed in favour of the EU as per the surveys. People were polite to you as it would be in many countries you visit. Don't talk on behalf of people whom you hardly know.

[Hercus Monte]

for Belarusians closer Russians in spirit, mentality,language.I know that in the post-Soviet countries formed many Russophobes,who like to look cons in Russia rather than in their own country. for them the main thing that in Russia everything was bad..
Since when is wanting proper, friendly relationships with Russia - russophobia?
we don't blame Russia for everything, only stuff Russia actually does(like invading our airspace, unnecessarily high gas prices)
but it takes 2 to tango.


why is it only happens on the internet and for example when I come in Belarus or the Ukraine with so I did not encounter.

people have manners and treat guest with dignity, that's how normal people behave.
that doesn't mean Belorussians or Ukrainians are masochistic and like being punished for having an their own opinion.

[eeroli]

Russians are trying to get back what they lost after cold war. Panslavism?. We must act quicly (like against muslims). Russian nationalism must be destroyed as soon as possible. Wise words from a nation who have always fought against eastern hordes. Be free and be proud. Pure russian peasants are harmless and maybe a little bit silly, they are cool.

[Olika]

Since when is wanting proper, friendly relationships with Russia - russophobia?
we don't blame Russia for everything, only stuff Russia actually does(like invading our airspace, unnecessarily high gas prices)
but it takes 2 to tango.



people have manners and treat guest with dignity, that's how normal people behave.
that doesn't mean Belorussians or Ukrainians are masochistic and like being punished for having an their own opinion.
If I did not lived in the Ukraine and would not have been in Belarus...I would be silent but I personally know of the situation even in the Western Ukraine now.
lol that Lithuanian can know about it...

[Hercus Monte]

If I did not lived in the Ukraine and would not have been in Belarus...I would be silent but I personally know of the situation even in the Western Ukraine now.
lol that Lithuanian can know about it...
I know quite a few Belorussians, I even know people who go to EHU, trust me they don't share your views.
I've also been to western Ukraine, I know that they are not sympathetic to Russian Politics.

[Olika]

I know quite a few Belorussians, I even know people who go to EHU, trust me they don't share your views.
I've also been to western Ukraine, I know that they are not sympathetic to Russian Politics.
There though one country the politics which are sympathetic all? no.I do not understand what you're trying to prove.In Russia also many people which do not like policy of Ukraine or Belarus.

[Hercus Monte]

There though one country the politics which are sympathetic all? no.I do not understand what you're trying to prove.In Russia also many people which do not like policy of Ukraine or Belarus.
But I was talking of Politics the whole time, I'm confused now.
I wasn't talking about the Russian ethnicity but Russian politics, or did you loose my track of thought?