Classify traditional Ethiopian highlanders

[Methusalem]

Shepherds, monks and rebels

1.
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/kobby_dagan/kobby_dagan1111/kobby_dagan111100079/11305778-jerusalem--nov-24--portrate-of-kess-the-religious-leader-of-the-ethiopian-jews-during-the-sigd-the-a.jpg

2.
http://static1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/900-6/photos/1322405903-ethiopian-jewish-community-in-israel-celebrates-the-sigd_942116.jpg

3.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/394699111_5265096ef3.jpg

4.
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000PuMldbZU0x4/s/650/ethiopia-man-02.jpg

5.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Ethiopian_Orthodox_priest.jpg

6.
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdAs-iXC4dnvsYP8Sa8EMIW8W6feckME_zEmI5DjwKgkhk1td6

7.
http://www.geodun.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Ethiopian-Shepherd-Western-Ethiopia-Travel-Photography-by-Photography-Geoff-Duncan-1-2.jpg

8.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5306/q5dw.jpg

9.
http://imageshack.us/a/img34/8378/slv5.jpg

10.
http://imageshack.us/a/img845/7436/22nk.jpg

11.
http://www.irishaid.gov.ie/media/irishaid/allwebsitemedia/10storiesofprogress/ethiopian-farmer-kiros-esfaye.jpg

[Kalimtari]

8 an 9; that's how I imagine ancient Egyptians looked like (Nubian, Beja look)

[Methusalem]

8 an 9; that's how I imagine ancient Egyptians looked like (Nubian, Beja look)

That's arguable but there might be a resemblance. I think ancient Egyptians looked something between South Mediterranid and Aethiopid.

[Kalimtari]

That's arguable but there might be a resemblance. I think ancient Egyptians looked something between South Mediterranid and Aethiopid.

they started with quite nilotid look and ended looking like they do today.

from:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aldokkan.com/egypt/menes.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.aldokkan.com/egypt/menes.htm&h=268&w=250&sz=10&tbnid=aXgw_deFHQOSAM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=85&zoom=1&usg=__GscjIxSdomKgNMb4mZmYo5HIFq0=&docid=i1MJFjS_-OFPGM&sa=X&ei=9115Us7YIYHsswaH_4DgCw&ved=0CKEBEP4dMAs
http://api.ning.com/files/ekec9MkLUP*CJIggrgptao0tDildOSCN4Hzjt3*RdORTSh5A3L 93JyYAh9ALTQdVEQ55ynN0PSlY7jk80uhMBP4hTIklkO7d/Hotepsekhemwy2.jpg

to:

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/08/18/176731262-50d7e7e173ee0606f018cfabd1ba058406b2860f.jpg

[Smeagol]

Aethiopids, and some having Arabid, or Nilotid admixture.

[Smeagol]

That's arguable but there might be a resemblance. I think ancient Egyptians looked something between South Mediterranid and Aethiopid.

Yes, the original upper Egyptians during the Badarian culture were Aethiopids, most similar to the Amhara today. The original Lower Egyptians more Middle Eastern, specifically Levantine, and they mixed with the indigenous Berberid, and South Medterranid peoples. The result of this admixture then mixed with the south Egyptians, until the north Egyptian type became dominant there by dynastic times. There were still, and are still Aethiopid influences in Egyptians.

[Smeagol]

they started with quite nilotid look and ended looking like they do today.

No.

[Kalimtari]

No.

http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/339/338535/O-RLY.jpg




http://www.mailstar.net/diop5.jpg
http://www.kmtspace.com/d0-narmer3300.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-o7_tRuvU83w/UKqM5qT_g6I/AAAAAAAAbbA/-q72damBCts/s320/Menes+farao.jpg
http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/85/Userkaf_head.jpg
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Egypt/Senusret_I_a.jpg
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Egypt/Huni.jpg
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Egypt/Amenemhet_II.jpg
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Egypt/Egypt_Mentuhotep_II.jpg
http://lvvfsa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pSPbV4UGXcQSfl3UesJhwKJBw-Cuo6daSOmIq3RsxLaiwk4i9bVb6wuxGJRBSD2EnXq1ZRzYLoiY t5z9kROgmiA/butter%20melt.jpg?psid=1
http://lvvfsa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p6t8SD1ZnMFhXgfFfCwLvlgu1MwvsVyOv7MhOz0RFkqpsrKN mBrvYF3ogfQ0B4x2v5bKQjIW7GflFNivoEyR7-UtAESn2IIq2/amosis1.jpg?psid=1
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k513/tlxlowe/11thdynasticstatue.jpg
http://nubianhairsupplies.homestead.com/hair14.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8726/kemyouthsidelock.jpg

[Kalimtari]

some even lump ancient Egyptians and ancestors of Yorubas (based on similar languages) together

EGYPT - YORUBA

1. Wu (rise) - Wu (rise)
2. Ausa (Osiris, father of the gods) - Ausa (father)
3. Ere (python/ Serpent) - Ere (Python / Serpent)
4. Horise (a great god) - Orise (a great god)
5. Sen (group of worshippers) - Sen ( to worship)
6. Ged (to chant) - Igede (a chant)
7. Ta (sell / offer) - Ta (sell/offer)
8. Sueg (a fool) - Suegbe (a fool)
9. On ( living person) - One ( living person)
10. Kum (a club) - Kumo( a club)
11. Enru (fear / terrible) - Eru (fear / terrible
12. Kun / qun (brave man) - Ekun (title of a brave man)
13. Win (to be) - Wino (to be)
14. Odonit (festival) - Odon (festival)
15. Ma or mi (to breath) - Mi. (to breathe)
16. Tebu (a town) - Tebu (a town)
17. Adumu (a water god) - Adumu (a water god)
18. Khu (to kill) - Ku (die)
19. Rekha (knowledge) - Larikha (knowledge)
20 Hika (evil) - Ika (evil)
21 Mhebi (humble) - Mebi, humble to ones family
22 Sata (perfect) - Santan (perfect)
23 Unas (lake of fire) - Una (fire)
24 Tan (complete) - Tan (complete)
25 Beru (force of emotion) - Beru (fear)
26 Em (smell) - Emi (smell)
27 Pa (open) - Pa (break open)
28 Bi (to become) - Bi (to give birth, to become)
29 Hepi (a water god) - Ipi (a water god)
30 Sami (water god) - Sami (a water god)
31 Osiri (a water god) - Oshiri (a water god)
32 Heqet – Re (frog deity) - Ekere (the frog)
33 Feh (to go away) - Feh (to blow away)
34 Kot (build) - Ko (build)
35 Kot (boat) Oko (boat)
36 Omi (water) - Omi (water)
37 Ra (time) - Ira (time)
38 Oni (title of Osiris) - Oni (title of the king of Ife)
39 Budo (dwelling place) - Budo (dwelling place)
40 Dudu (black image of Osiris) - Dudu (black person)
41 Un (living person) - Una (living person)
42 Ra (possess) - Ra (possess/buy)
43 Beka (pray/confess) - Be or ka (to pray or confess)
44 Po (many) - Po (many/cheap)
45 Horuw (head) middle Egyptian - Oruwo (head) (Ijebu)
46 Min (a god) - Emin (spirit)
47 Ash (invocation) - Ashe (invocation)
48 Aru (mouth) - Arun (mouth ) Ilaje
49 Do (river) Odo (river)
50 Do (settlement) - Udo (settlement)
51 Shekiri (water god) - Shekiri (a water god)
52 Bu (a place) - Bu, a place
53 Khepara (beetle) - Akpakara (beetle)
54 No (a water god) - Eno (a water god)
55 Ra -Shu (light after darkness) - Uran-shu (the light of the moon)
56 Run-ka (spirit name) - Oruko (name)
57 Deb/dib to pierce - Dibi (to pierce)
58 Maat (goddess of justice) - Mate (goddess of justice)
59 Aru (rise) - Ru (rise up)
60 Fa (carry) - Fa (pull)
61 Kaf (pluck) - Ka (pluck)
62 Bu bi (evil place) - Bubi (evil place)
63 In- n (negation) - In-n (negation)
64 Iset (a water god) - Ise (a water god)
65 Shabu (watcher) - Ashonbo (watcher)
66 Semati (door keeper) - Sema (lock/shut the door)
67 Khenti amenti (big words of Osiris Yenti – yenti (big, very big)
68 Ma (to know) - Ma (to know)
69 Bebi, (a son of osiris) - Ube, a god
71 Ren( animal foot) - Ren (to walk)
72 Ka (rest) - Ka (rest/tired)
73 Mu (water) - Mu (drink water)
74 Abi (against) - Ubi (against / impediment)
75 Reti (to beseech) - Retin (to listen)
76 Hir (praise) - Yiri (praise)
77 Ta(spread out) - Ta (spread out)
78 Kurud (round) - Kurudu (round)
79 Ak – male - Ako (male)
80 Se – to create - Se (to create)
81 Hoo (rejoice) - Yo (rejoice)
82 Kamwr (black) - Kuru (extremely black)
83 Omitjener (deep water) - Omijen (deep water)
84 Nen, (the primeval water mother) - Nene (mother
85 Ta (land) - Ita (land junction)
86 Horiwo (head) - Oriwo (head)
87 Ro (talk) - Ro (to think)
88 Kurubu (round) Kurubu (deep and round)
89 Penka (divide) - Kpen (divide)
90 Ma-su (to mould) - Ma or su (to mould)
91 Osa (time) - Osa (time)
92 Osa (tide) - Osa ( tide)
93 Fare (wrap) - Fari (wrap)
94 Kom (complete) - Kon (complete)
95 Edjo (cobra) - Edjo (cobra)
96 Didi (red fruit) - Diden (red)
97 Ba (soul) - Oba (king) soul of a people
98 Ke (hill) - Oke (hill)
99 Anubis (evil deity) - Onubi (evil person)
100 Kan (one: Middle Egyptian) - Okan (one)
101 Nam (water god) - Inama (water god)

[Smeagol]

http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/339/338535/O-RLY.jpg

Yes really. This is from the 25th Nubian dynasty. Some of the others are probably from the Nubian era as well, and some you can't really tell their features. Anyway, there has been no genetic influences on Egypt since dynastic times except from Nilotic, and Bantu slaves.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Aethiopids, and some having Arabid, or Nilotid admixture.
Agree

[Kalimtari]

Yes really. This is from the 25th Nubian dynasty. Some of the others are probably from the Nubian era as well, and some you can't really tell their features. Anyway, there has been no genetic influences on Egypt since dynastic times except from Nilotic, and Bantu slaves.

sources, s'il vous plait

[Smeagol]

sources, s'il vous plait

Southern Egyptians Y Chromomses are mainly native to Africa, both sub and supra Saharan. This makes a total of 80.3% definitively African (mostly Caucasoid North African) non-Arab ancestry in the upper Egypt region. Y chromosomes possibly attributable to Arab males are in the minority in this area. A rough estimate (since no women invaded Egypt) is that about 5% or less of this population are from non dynastic Egyptian peoples, and not all of these would be Arabs.

Northern Egyptians are a bit more cosmopolitan in their ancestry 64.8% indigenous African. About 20% of the Y chromosomes are near Eastern in origin, and 10.5 % are R Y chromosomes. However, some of these near eastern and European Y chromosomes show an ancient entry to Africa (G, K2, R1, R1b are 8,000 BP and older) and any historical contribution from foreign men is more likely to be in the 15% area. Divided by two (no recent female contribution to speak of). This makes non-dynastic Egyptian population around the 7% mark in Lower Egypt; and only some of this is Arab.

As for the maternal inheritance; this is more varied. From a study at Gurna (of modern upper Egyptians):

H 14.7%, I 5.9%, J 5.9%, L1a 11.7%, L1e 5.9%, L2a 2.9%, M1 17.6%, N1b 8.8%, T 5.9%, U 8.8% U3 2.9%, U4 5.9% ,L3*(a) 5.9%, L3*(b) 2.9%, Other 2.9%.

Of these, the L haplotypes are typically sub Saharan (23.7%), M1 and U are ancient Eurasian, present at least 30,000 years and many of the other Eurasian haplotypes have been found in 12,000 year old bones in Morocco. The N an I are possibly attributable to Arab ancestry, about 15% non-Arab in upper Egypt. But still, most of that would easily be attributable to the Neolithic input from Asia- and very little of this would be attributable to Arabs

There doesn’t seem to be majority ‘Arab’ genetic component to the Egyptian DNA pool, 20% maximum. And a lot of the non African DNA is traceable to the Neolithic farming expansion that swept across North Africa, so it would be a lot lower in reality.

[Kalimtari]

Southern Egyptians Y Chromomses are mainly native to Africa, both sub and supra Saharan. This makes a total of 80.3% definitively African (mostly Caucasoid North African) non-Arab ancestry in the upper Egypt region. Y chromosomes possibly attributable to Arab males are in the minority in this area. A rough estimate (since no women invaded Egypt) is that about 5% or less of this population are from non dynastic Egyptian peoples, and not all of these would be Arabs.

Northern Egyptians are a bit more cosmopolitan in their ancestry 64.8% indigenous African. About 20% of the Y chromosomes are near Eastern in origin, and 10.5 % are R Y chromosomes. However, some of these near eastern and European Y chromosomes show an ancient entry to Africa (G, K2, R1, R1b are 8,000 BP and older) and any historical contribution from foreign men is more likely to be in the 15% area. Divided by two (no recent female contribution to speak of). This makes non-dynastic Egyptian population around the 7% mark in Lower Egypt; and only some of this is Arab.

As for the maternal inheritance; this is more varied. From a study at Gurna (of modern upper Egyptians):

H 14.7%, I 5.9%, J 5.9%, L1a 11.7%, L1e 5.9%, L2a 2.9%, M1 17.6%, N1b 8.8%, T 5.9%, U 8.8% U3 2.9%, U4 5.9% ,L3*(a) 5.9%, L3*(b) 2.9%, Other 2.9%.

Of these, the L haplotypes are typically sub Saharan (23.7%), M1 and U are ancient Eurasian, present at least 30,000 years and many of the other Eurasian haplotypes have been found in 12,000 year old bones in Morocco. The N an I are possibly attributable to Arab ancestry, about 15% non-Arab in upper Egypt. But still, most of that would easily be attributable to the Neolithic input from Asia- and very little of this would be attributable to Arabs

There doesn’t seem to be majority ‘Arab’ genetic component to the Egyptian DNA pool, 20% maximum. And a lot of the non African DNA is traceable to the Neolithic farming expansion that swept across North Africa, so it would be a lot lower in reality.

Thanks for your explanation. :)
I've read somewhere that the hyksos were the first who stirred Egypt's phenotype.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos

[Smeagol]

Thanks for your explanation. :)
I've read somewhere that the hyksos were the first who stirred Egypt's phenotype.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos

The Hyksos probably didn't affect Egypt that much racially. The only people who have recently, have been slaves from Sub-Saharan Africa.

[Kalimtari]

The Hyksos probably didn't affect Egypt that much racially. The only people who have recently, have been slaves from Sub-Saharan Africa.

what about Greeks, Arabs and Mamluks?

[Smeagol]

what about Greeks, Arabs and Mamluks?

They all only made up the ruling class. Most of Egyptian genes date back to predynastic times.

[Kalimtari]

They all only made up the ruling class. Most of Egyptian genes date back to predynastic times.

thanks

[Cleitus]

Egypts Ruler class was Adamite the Majority of the Population was also Adamite.
Negroes in Egypt : http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/nubians-offering.jpg
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/abu-simbel.jpg
http://ritabay.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/slaves1.jpg

[Cleitus]

Shepherds, monks and rebels

1.
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/kobby_dagan/kobby_dagan1111/kobby_dagan111100079/11305778-jerusalem--nov-24--portrate-of-kess-the-religious-leader-of-the-ethiopian-jews-during-the-sigd-the-a.jpg

2.
http://static1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/900-6/photos/1322405903-ethiopian-jewish-community-in-israel-celebrates-the-sigd_942116.jpg

3.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/394699111_5265096ef3.jpg

4.
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000PuMldbZU0x4/s/650/ethiopia-man-02.jpg

5.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Ethiopian_Orthodox_priest.jpg

6.
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdAs-iXC4dnvsYP8Sa8EMIW8W6feckME_zEmI5DjwKgkhk1td6

7.
http://www.geodun.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Ethiopian-Shepherd-Western-Ethiopia-Travel-Photography-by-Photography-Geoff-Duncan-1-2.jpg

8.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5306/q5dw.jpg

9.
http://imageshack.us/a/img34/8378/slv5.jpg

10.
http://imageshack.us/a/img845/7436/22nk.jpg

11.
http://www.irishaid.gov.ie/media/irishaid/allwebsitemedia/10storiesofprogress/ethiopian-farmer-kiros-esfaye.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z61/Andresh-photos/balkan-caucasian/12B.jpg + http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rRrNtOoB0IM/Tsm70j1JALI/AAAAAAAAA00/8QAVdlG2qZ0/s1600/race_negroid.jpg

[Kalimtari]

arber-kar:

http://global3.memecdn.com/because-fuck-you-thats-why_o_501793.jpg

[Cleitus]

Why are you so Obsessed with Dicks ? youre Gay ?