Nomadic type Kurdish people (Irano-CM/Alpino-CM/Irano-Nordoid)

[MfA_]

Keep in mind these people stay in mountains for months and looks rugged, they don't have much time for facecare..

5 pics per post, don't troll..

http://abload.de/img/9d8de7ef67b13c9c52fcf70dsq.jpg

http://abload.de/img/35d242426c151ea294ba3zai1i.jpg

http://abload.de/img/41bdba8e9d392e580486dkgf5z.jpg

http://abload.de/img/47ab8f4b2c91e37bf1f1at6dii.jpg

http://abload.de/img/185b6a8b85153b8bf20d2p4fqq.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/cc49f8fe58339a73a36a4csyqg.jpg

http://abload.de/img/d50ace0c29db9ed14b87byoa53.jpg

http://abload.de/img/df95c3d9029788dcdb6f5owb1e.jpg

http://abload.de/img/dd04971c6561b6efae319w8yxr.jpg

http://abload.de/img/dozger_mehmet_vasil_cbvywz.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/7f10867ef89addd3e31fduqrgt.jpg

http://abload.de/img/9c4fb1eeba8066c3017dduhp4f.jpg

http://abload.de/img/9f7d409dff686d15d6aecampfg.jpg

http://abload.de/img/7a1f84e37f4e5fce0f7cacmoty.jpg

http://abload.de/img/7a8fe2fc2393e35fb76dcd1pot.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/siyabend_varto_kudbettkf5j.jpg

http://abload.de/img/xebat_murat_okmen27sd76.jpg

http://abload.de/img/firaz_halil_aktar1bccxf.jpg

http://abload.de/img/xemlin_baskale_aysel_3qdh9.jpg

http://abload.de/img/yilmaz_ayhan_acarnzicv.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/9492d34aeaff0c196b67bxvuxj.jpg

http://abload.de/img/210438cfc59c1719a9debdguh5.jpg

http://abload.de/img/263658f820e772ead3183vbuvd.jpg

http://abload.de/img/63198582d1c1e0def3af8fxuww.jpg

http://abload.de/img/a837e119cd945083823084tu6b.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/f0d4788c7ddb1dcb4a7172eots.jpg

http://abload.de/img/e7623022370b992338d18waoc3.jpg

http://abload.de/img/f2d330db2c1d302715223yoooj.jpg

http://abload.de/img/f59311816482a3d5f8c36w7r7v.jpg

http://abload.de/img/f359c93a91e50dad5f7a0wnqi8.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/0fb46096d62a1ea606c07w0rkn.jpg

http://abload.de/img/0e397a47f88e18f8fb91dvyoc3.jpg

http://abload.de/img/0fd4836257f54a94b1cdb85r4k.jpg

http://abload.de/img/1a14bddfae64667ee79086nouo.jpg

http://abload.de/img/02d8012e1db1554c5c164jgrbv.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/ae7d3bea3c07ccb94f647smxh4.jpg

http://abload.de/img/aee1a5aa76ef36d981450wfyua.jpg

http://abload.de/img/af5bd485f51b31cfbb967kbyoq.jpg

http://abload.de/img/b3599069f49c08049acbdrhyk5.jpg

http://abload.de/img/bd453c22415554e4edc70sxblm.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/0471e9b8bf298d02a91f6wju0x.jpg

http://abload.de/img/883de87c16d2ddb39a1ca4fu4h.jpg

http://abload.de/img/4097c75a2ae44c9ffa12dtguwd.jpg

http://abload.de/img/9243c4e6c1fa1938e5008j6ush.jpg

http://abload.de/img/7183d1ac9023a88231141tcuyx.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/2a7c5a55d24475c5674a6yqsjg.jpg

http://abload.de/img/6eee54acabafb55700da2nuszg.jpg

http://abload.de/img/5d2e877d84bab94d7b9ecsys0j.jpg

http://abload.de/img/3d50d1c50461be217bd19vpslu.jpg

http://abload.de/img/3f014ec0c76dec9472ea8jus5j.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/bf2e95ca05df7a21b60985tdpq.jpg

http://abload.de/img/c658a6ac9e4d289a367edftcty.jpg

http://abload.de/img/c5aba44d28efa970d69d4cbd2s.jpg

http://abload.de/img/c8acd7ea9b8dd89aa305fmbdn7.jpg

http://abload.de/img/c73a1f6efcf3eb175338bidce9.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/zeynep_emine_saraco2jcd.jpg

http://abload.de/img/0dfb4478980f6126653b47wk5e.jpg

http://abload.de/img/0a4409fd7de9904a5f786wfkgv.jpg

http://abload.de/img/0b5e77e1fe49b2f10e40bntkn2.jpg

http://abload.de/img/0af604035b5121092813cd0job.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/10a4747ed68e10029a244o3s4f.jpg

http://abload.de/img/71cfd8d5cd7426aadde58kks7i.jpg

http://abload.de/img/17b301a9eaaea28033c82s5sn5.jpg

http://abload.de/img/29ffedef01f9134bf81c1s8s4j.jpg

http://abload.de/img/65fbfc5ecfc0a6046c285umswl.jpg

done for the day..

[Smyrnian]

nearly all of them have strong and angular jaws,with prominent faces.what subrace they are?

[Armand_Duval]

Fairly interesting set of phenotypes, thanks for sharing.:thumb001:

[SKYNET]

I thought they are cyborgs or something

[Armand_Duval]

This one would get lost in iberia.

http://abload.de/img/29ffedef01f9134bf81c1s8s4j.jpg

[Shah-Jehan]

dat look is fierce:D

[Armand_Duval]

This woman could go as mexican you can take it for granted.

http://abload.de/img/zeynep_emine_saraco2jcd.jpg

[Armand_Duval]

This one us totally an east nordid, could go as russian.

http://abload.de/img/c8acd7ea9b8dd89aa305fmbdn7.jpg

[Azamat]

This woman could go as mexican you can take it for granted.She might, but if she is fully Kurdish then you can also take it for granted that she is fully Caucasoid(non-Caucasoid ancestry in Kurds is insignificant, usually between 0-3%).

On a side note, I would point out that pictures of PKK members are not representative of the more general Kurdish looks, if only for the fact that these people live an extremely harsh life and likely suffer from all kinds of nutritional problems, having retreated from civilization. I've only seen a handful of PKK soldiers with a, should I say, less 'abnormal' appearance.

Here is a thread with group pictures of Kurdish people:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?100661-Kurdish-people

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/celal_abdulgani_ayar_xwy2p.jpg

http://abload.de/img/1d11e5ebeed3c42540f69bdzz9.jpg

http://abload.de/img/7a4010c728df5112a2a66zxld1.jpg

http://abload.de/img/rojhat_muzaffer_ozguv33zbz.jpg

http://abload.de/img/6111134b69b9dcb9c953bf3x22.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/zindan_secat_miroyimi4bldn.jpg

http://abload.de/img/f863e4fb1b47b206b2276g5x28.jpg

http://abload.de/img/bahtiyar_m.sirin_gula0bez.jpg

http://abload.de/img/baran_mahmut_manap_mdnx7p.jpg

http://abload.de/img/botan_sevket_yildiz_mcll0q.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/halil_uysalq6qjr.jpg

http://abload.de/img/fdde1da287ef645878d67ctpjg.jpg

http://abload.de/img/vedat_2d7qjs.jpg

http://abload.de/img/4cd4eaee1c7cc4757d334c6r5k.jpg

http://abload.de/img/c0463a74730bd2dbab86cxko11.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/dilsad_yakup_ciftcisasd9.jpg

http://abload.de/img/zagros_husnu_kipkac_m28syy.jpg

http://abload.de/img/kawa_faruk_savati_m92spy.jpg

http://abload.de/img/ferhat_abdurrahman_naras3a.jpg

http://abload.de/img/yilmaz_sadrettin_varo5ms86.jpg

[Shah-Jehan]

what does the background mean?

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/hamza_sedat_binici_2wbypm.jpg

http://abload.de/img/dijwar_muhhamed_yusuf8aals.jpg

http://abload.de/img/64f1bd36159ab528d3f0e58zt6.jpg

http://abload.de/img/2aa996f39965e7bd57256ydby1.jpg

http://abload.de/img/a0862b8703b49b62b05b4zca45.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/celal_abdulgani_ayar5org4.jpg

http://abload.de/img/9834ebf86290350e5d664orqp0.jpg

http://abload.de/img/leheng_abdurrahman_bezsrgb.jpg

http://abload.de/img/d7115f2e533cc8bcf918233oak.jpg

http://abload.de/img/hozan_hasan_moho_zpsbocok8.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/kawa_ekber_nebizadep6egz.jpg

http://abload.de/img/sipan_sunullah_kesercrudix.jpg

http://abload.de/img/eeca348660096e711cd17add52.jpg

http://abload.de/img/karker_yusuf_aydinayc64.jpg

http://abload.de/img/leheng_abdurrahman_be3sc12.jpg

[MfA_]

what does the background mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party

http://abload.de/img/5f32f9e53c7f38fc5fcf872p4h.jpg

http://abload.de/img/576634a42c4a68b90d534keqoj.jpg

http://abload.de/img/01d8b43f4f3fa760f12ffikoxe.jpg

http://abload.de/img/d29f0d8464ae634a0159clloh9.jpg

http://abload.de/img/c435ffd4918b356927e6fv7od7.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/serxwebun_fahrettin_k2ek24.jpg

http://abload.de/img/rodi_metin_ignegwktn.jpg

http://abload.de/img/rahime_leyla_genc9kk7m.jpg

http://abload.de/img/gabar_nuhat_akkoyunlkkcq.jpg

http://abload.de/img/ferhat_muhammed_hamudk8kfl.jpg

[Smyrnian]

big prominent chin is cromagnid strain or iranid strain(by big prominent,i dont mean squarish chin,i mean jaw part is very long compare to total face length)

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/2e982f65432588c32a492vnouh.jpg

http://abload.de/img/67dcc46237b8f15ce4fdbsxpri.jpg

http://abload.de/img/08ebf71ab73222fbbefe316oom.jpg

http://abload.de/img/6cc1906906242cb93fd969hqx6.jpg

http://abload.de/img/berxwedan_sait_soylujlrgx.jpg

http://abload.de/img/mazlum_yahya_musazadefcppo.jpg

done for the day.

[Smyrnian]

and i always wonder,why pkk members look more europid and lighter than average Kurds who live big metropols of Turkey.Are they recruited from some same area that contains more europid looking Kurdish tribes?Pkk members are even more europid than averag Turks except western areas.

[Shah-Jehan]

and i always wonder,why pkk members look more europid and lighter than average Kurds who live big metropols of Turkey.Are they recruited from some same area that contains more europid looking Kurdish tribes?Pkk members are even more europid than averag Turks except western areas.
Europid is a synonym for Caucasoid...

[Smyrnian]

[QUOTE=Shah-Jehan;2068925]Europid is a synonym for Caucasoid...[/QUOTE
i mean european looking.and for some people europid or european is sub branch of caucasoid who has european,middle eastern,north african and south asian branches.

[MfA_]

and i always wonder,why pkk members look more europid and lighter than average Kurds who live big metropols of Turkey.Are they recruited from some same area that contains more europid looking Kurdish tribes?Pkk members are even more europid than averag Turks except western areas.

I can't say whether more western looking or not.. Keep in mind this thread is cherry picked by its nature since only focusing some type of Kurdish phenotypes.. Azamat's thread is more about all types group photos.. There are still armenids, meds, alpines, iranids etc.. Though I posted 100 photos and there are 200 another robust shots in my folder.. All is selected from ~800-900 pictures.. So good number of them is indeed quite robust.. Robust people tend to be more warrior like so they are more likely participate these kind of organizations.. And daily training, mountain and mobile life also makes you thougher..
What is your special interest about Kurds? I always see you open a thread for a random guy from Eastern Turkey and asking where they can pass etc since the day you join the forum.. And also your generic profile seems trollish..

[Smyrnian]

I can't say whether more western looking or not.. Keep in mind this thread is cherry picked by its nature since only focusing some type of Kurdish phenotypes.. Azamat's thread is more about all types group photos.. There are still armenids, meds, alpines, iranids etc.. Though I posted 100 photos and there are 200 another robust shots in my folder.. All is selected from ~800-900 pictures.. So good number of them is indeed quite robust.. Robust people tend to be more warrior like so they are more likely participate these kind of organizations.. And daily training, mountain and mobile life also makes you thougher..
What is your special interest about Kurds? I always see you open a thread for a random guy from Eastern Turkey and asking where they can pass etc since the day you join the forum.. And also your generic profile seems trollish..
my profile is trollish? :) check out my post form the date i enter this forum and look if i am a joking member.not only interest about Kurds if you check my posts.My general interest is to find main facial differences between european and middle eastern people.And as a Turk,Anatolian and Middle Eastern i focus on the threads contain middle eastern people.Hope u got it.

[Azamat]

And daily training, mountain and mobile life also makes you thougher..True, but I think the training selection process might be a factor too. The physically 'weaker' people possibly get eliminated and assigned to other functions or rejected from the organization, resulting in most of the PKK soldiers to be of a mainly robust variety. It happens in any active military I think, if you look at pictures of Soviet soldiers in WW2 there seems to be an unusually high share of robust people for the army's main ethnic constituents(East Slavs).

The fact that higher ranking PKK members tend not to be as frequently robust as soldiers also supports my conclusion:

http://cdncms.todayszaman.com/todayszaman/2013/07/26/pkkbdp.jpg

^2 robust people out of 7

[MfA_]

my profile is trollish? :) check out my post form the date i enter this forum and look if i am a joking member.not only interest about Kurds if you check my posts.My general interest is to find main facial differences between european and middle eastern people.And as a Turk,Anatolian and Middle Eastern i focus on the threads contain middle eastern people.Hope u got it.

ok. bye.


True, but I think the training selection process might be a factor too. The physically 'weaker' people possibly get eliminated and assigned to other functions or rejected from the organization, resulting in most of the PKK soldiers to be of a mainly robust variety. It happens in any active military I think, if you look at pictures of Soviet soldiers in WW2 there seems to be an unusually high share of robust people for the army's main ethnic constituents(East Slavs).

The fact that higher ranking PKK members tend not to be as frequently robust as soldiers also supports my conclusion:

^2 robust people out of 7

I agree, that's a good point.. Weaker types are more in command chain and back of the front line or charity etc ..

[Mans not hot]

This dude has very ubermensch look;
http://abload.de/img/0b5e77e1fe49b2f10e40bntkn2.jpg

Look similar to Kurganid.

[Not a Cop]

This one us totally an east nordid, could go as russian.

http://abload.de/img/c8acd7ea9b8dd89aa305fmbdn7.jpg

My thought also, but there is something in him, which clearly looks unrussian, maybe the low head

[Kastrioti1443]

About 25% can pass as albanians, 20% as albanian highlanders.

[Cleitus]

http://abload.de/img/dilsad_yakup_ciftcisasd9.jpg :eek: ??

[Arcadefire]

Never met a Kurd in my life but wow. Some can actually pass in Kashmir imo. Their robustness is due to dinarization?

[Arcadefire]

http://abload.de/img/siyabend_varto_kudbettkf5j.jpg
This guy for example.

[Mehmet]

How many of these Communist terrorists have already been killed by the Turkish soldiers?

No matter they could look Swede or Hindu, they have no chance :)

[Arcadefire]

^ whats with the political talk homie? lol you always seem to put on the "soldier of Islam" act on every single replies you make.

[MfA_]

^ whats with the political talk homie? lol you always seem to put on the "soldier of Islam" act on every single replies you make.

Ignore the trolls, this topic is not about politics..

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/00e7056ec788d5b42162aowdhf.jpg

http://abload.de/img/0dc247c07eee71a72cf9495d9a.jpg

http://abload.de/img/goran_hamit_bayram_mjjip0.jpg

http://abload.de/img/mordem_sedat_ayhanxpei4.jpg

http://abload.de/img/4ddc75f1698994d05cf43m7ckh.jpg

http://abload.de/img/navdar_zulfu_fidanten4idgs.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/1.jpghclufkonk8u.jpg

http://abload.de/img/brusk_abdullah_nahimef7jla.jpg

http://abload.de/img/nefel_sevda_yemen_mqljdj.jpg

http://abload.de/img/rebaz_esat_ahmet_1t1kcb.jpg

http://abload.de/img/rizgar_maksut_behnemuhmk6y.jpg

[Kastrioti1443]

...

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/cekdar_sadrettin_tan_15j24.jpg

http://abload.de/img/ciwan_halim_sonmez_m41kc9.jpg

http://abload.de/img/ciya_abdulkadir_simseu3j9o.jpg

http://abload.de/img/ciya_amed_kenan_guzeleok3s.jpg

http://abload.de/img/11226wj8n.jpg

[Kastrioti1443]

In the last 2 posts , 5 people can fit as albanians concerning features.

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/serdem_hasan_kaya_m2hloj.jpg

http://abload.de/img/rozerin_ceyda_yetkin_4txsq.jpg

http://abload.de/img/selim_perviz_semsidhyfo.jpg

http://abload.de/img/233826a67be66a810b23ap7lyh.jpg

http://abload.de/img/sipan_muzaffer_ondes_tky8j.jpg

[Mehmet]

^ whats with the political talk homie? lol you always seem to put on the "soldier of Islam" act on every single replies you make.

People you see in these pics kill guys like me.
They are all Pkk members.

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/924e149af069b8ea323a8b3j37.jpg

http://abload.de/img/0c758c944f0062609b2679tk4a.jpg

http://abload.de/img/1c02df27d352caf7b0780m3jb7.jpg

http://abload.de/img/190brkqv.jpg

http://abload.de/img/6cff81ed2fd5fd02c6bfeq8kto.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/49d777cdd477e76dea7b20prb7.jpg

http://abload.de/img/canser_abdurahman_birjdq0u.jpg

http://abload.de/img/5483e331a9bace540b3a2aop8e.jpg

http://abload.de/img/319a6b58175c8348e5b538qrse.jpg

http://abload.de/img/cayan_asmenn2ro3.jpg

[SKYNET]

that's why some turkish examples are actually white :)

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/eris_bulentzsj3m.jpg

http://abload.de/img/ffb67c0cbdf3cc4dd2a1359jor.jpg

http://abload.de/img/7e64c4d2a4a242251ffda9kkce.jpg

http://abload.de/img/7f2cd38b7681e6e2ef83b96jm0.jpg

http://abload.de/img/13f34e2b533e12c6166f87ijat.jpg

[MfA_]

that's why some turkish examples are actually white :)

Please refrain from mentioning any other nation, this thread is about Kurdish people..

http://abload.de/img/b262fcb3a88d76445a5d5ihjm8.jpg

http://abload.de/img/148dkjb9.jpg

http://abload.de/img/1018117f01c19c6ed27c019jde.jpg

http://abload.de/img/16470k5i.jpg

http://abload.de/img/amed_guney_tas_mxyj0u.jpg

[Kastrioti1443]

Some kurds here really look pan european, not like their brothers in europe who look very MENA, why do you think is like that?

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/152q7uqf.jpg

http://abload.de/img/berxwedan_cemal_celikhzu02.jpg

http://abload.de/img/botan_nedim_argin_m7puoc.jpg

http://abload.de/img/51a3864ed3ad604d2340copuk5.jpg

http://abload.de/img/245effadf41c6129f4fe7okufh.jpg

[Mans not hot]

Tehy look like Albos.

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/1127aikr9.jpg

http://abload.de/img/21615ff211c60b43d866avvklx.jpg

http://abload.de/img/24051f1a73d7ccf80aa0e12k9a.jpg

http://abload.de/img/171gijvj.jpg

http://abload.de/img/1771qkgf.jpg

done for the day..

[MfA_]

Some kurds here really look pan european, not like their brothers in europe who look very MENA, why do you think is like that?

As an Albanian you should know mountains reduce mixing with surrounding peoples and as an Iranic people there were several contacts with European Cimmerians and Iranic Scythians, Alans, Parthians, Medes and Mitanni Aryans.. Bulk West Asians aren't dark generally either.. Though cromagniform is significantly higher on Kurds compared to surrounding in West Asia these types are still minority..

[Kastrioti1443]

As an Albanian you should now mountains reduce mixing with surrounding peoples and as an Iranic people there were several contacts with European Cimmerians and Iranic Scythians, Alans, Parthians, Medes and Mitanni aryans.. Bulk West Asians aren't dark generally either.. Though cromagniform is significantly higher on Kurds compared to surrounding in West Asia these types are still minority..

Very nice explanation. I remember that you said that are around 900 photos but you chose only the ones according to the phenotypes you specified in the title or are all all in the 900 photos like these ones posted here?

[MfA_]

Very nice explanation. I remember that you said that are around 900 photos but you chose only the ones according to the phenotypes you specified in the title or are all all in the 900 photos like these ones posted here?

That number is now exceded 1000.. 160 is posted here, there are ~250 more robusts photos I haven't posted yet.. Remainings are gracil -Armenids, Iranids, Meds and Alpinids- not in particular order..

[Kastrioti1443]

That number number is now exceded 1000.. 160 is posted here, there are ~250 more robusts photos I haven't posted yet.. Remanings are gracil -Armenids, Iranids, Meds and Alpinids- not in particular order..


It is amazing what isolation can do. How much % of the kurds do these people represent?

[Azamat]

It is amazing what isolation can do. How much % of the kurds do these people represent?Browse through this thread and see for yourself:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?100661-Kurdish-people

[MfA_]

It is amazing what isolation can do. How much % of the kurds do these people represent?

I can't give you exact number and don't want to sound like a nordicist but I believe every family have a few relatives like these types.. My grandfather was dark blond blue eyed with heavy jaw, grandmother is dark blonde-green eyed + cm influenced, my uncle and his 2 male children are gingers with brown eyes.. I think robust types are probably around ~25%..

[Azamat]

I can't give you exact number and don't want to sound like a nordicist but I believe every family have a few relatives like these types.. My grandfather was dark blond blue eyed with heavy jaw, grandmother is dark blonde-green eyed + cm influenced, my uncle and his 2 male children are gingers with brown eyes.. I think robust types are probably around ~25%..Maybe overall it's around 25% but you're probably aware that it's higher in some regions, like Gever/Hakkari. That region was also the site of extensive Scythian settlement in the last centuries BC and its inhabitants were called 'Carduchi' by foreign sources. I believe these robust Irano-CM types were the dominant type amongst the very first Kurdish people.

My own ancestors are from Dersim where Kurds have long since sedentarized and are generally much more gracile.

[MfA_]

Maybe overall it's around 25% but you're probably aware that it's higher in some regions, like Gever/Hakkari. That region was also the site of extensive Scythian settlement in the last centuries BC and its inhabitants were called 'Carduchi' by foreign sources. I believe these robust Irano-CM types were the dominant type amongst the very first Kurdish people.

My own ancestors are from Dersim where Kurds have long since sedentarized and are generally much more gracile.

That's true, the region you have mention is also the most isolated place so that is not surprising.. With Ayyubidis many Kurdish scholar and tribes expanded beyond Wan lake through Georgia and inner parts of todays Turkey, so some of the gracile inhabitants of those regions could be converted into Islam and eventually assimilated into Kurdishhood.

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/390c9d1de2a80a844d0e0hosig.jpg

http://abload.de/img/778faba3e3dc8c6c6db24vjswc.jpg

http://abload.de/img/4950e1f59bb84ab9b2a63lzsso.jpg

http://abload.de/img/df1da44862bfbe0dd21695vss6.jpg

http://abload.de/img/bagok_sirac_kilic_1qmsbn.jpg

http://abload.de/img/5288462d048e0d3f60f64nlszb.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/ciwan_mehmet_sait_ozgoaqbf.jpg

http://abload.de/img/sipan_omer_aslannlp73.jpg

http://abload.de/img/mazlum_sezai_karakussjodv.jpg

http://abload.de/img/nurhak_mazlum_gokfloj6.jpg

http://abload.de/img/sinda_ayse_akfapures.jpg

http://abload.de/img/orhan_mustafa_alisjo0z.jpg

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/3bfa5a7e41ccb228078a8qxpxo.jpg

http://abload.de/img/15d406f06ce12f2ac57cbd4pdc.jpg

http://abload.de/img/canfeda_avsar_rabeti3dost.jpg

http://abload.de/img/ceec46ac75e6be7f73874e0qht.jpg

http://abload.de/img/ce7646a74c54cecf1c054uvohz.jpg
^^arberori look alike lol

[Kastrioti1443]

I can't give you exact number and don't want to sound like a nordicist but I believe every family have a few relatives like these types.. My grandfather was dark blond blue eyed with heavy jaw, grandmother is dark blonde-green eyed + cm influenced, my uncle and his 2 male children are gingers with brown eyes.. I think robust types are probably around ~25%..

So 25% of ethnic kurds look like the people in these photos? Very nice.

[Azamat]

So 25% of ethnic kurds look like the people in these photos? Very nice.No, he said that he estimated 25% of Kurds to have the same phenotype. That doesn't mean that those 25% 'look the same', or by implication, live in the same conditions or have the same nutritional habits as those PKK fighters do.

[MfA_]

Keep in mind cranial shape is greatly affected by weather, living style and nutriation.. In war time people tends to be more dolicho, while in comfort more brachy.. This is also confirmed by WW2.. These people do not live like the rest of the Kurds.. They are in minority in short..

[Kastrioti1443]

No, he said that he estimated 25% of Kurds to have the same phenotype. That doesn't mean that those 25% 'look the same', or by implication, live in the same conditions or have the same nutritional habits as those PKK fighters do.

That means that 25% of kurds are among the phenotypes presented i this thread.

[MfA_]

Composites of 144 men, 85 women

http://abload.de/img/export5pspsrsvubf4.jpg

[Azamat]

Keep in mind cranial shape is greatly affected by weather, living style and nutriation.. In war time people tends to be more dolicho, while in comfort more brachy.. This is also confirmed by WW2.. These people do not live like the rest of the Kurds.. They are in minority in short..Soviet soldiers from WW2. These are from a normally gracile population whilst Kurds are overall more robust than East Slavs to begin with.

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4008/4410483284_0e351bea20_z.jpg?zz=1
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2668/3935356298_f40447ac77.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3522/3943962700_75974dd461.jpg
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/ww2_13/s_w07_3b09274u.jpg

[MfA_]

In robustness competition would be with Balkan/N.Caucasus Highlanders or Pasthuns.. Russians are lowlanders generally..

[Kastrioti1443]

Composites of 144 men, 85 women

http://abload.de/img/export5pspsrsvubf4.jpg

The man seems a Pontid-Dinarid CM while the women a Pontid/Eastern Alpin/CM.

[Rojava]

Guess I'm not a nomadic looking Kurd then. My mother would look close to one though.

[Hayalet]

How many of these Communist terrorists have already been killed by the Turkish soldiers?
All of them. These pictures are released as obituary.

[Not a Cop]

Keep in mind cranial shape is greatly affected by weather, living style and nutriation.. In war time people tends to be more dolicho, while in comfort more brachy.. This is also confirmed by WW2.. These people do not live like the rest of the Kurds.. They are in minority in short..

Can you explain this futher?

[d3cimat3d]

As an Albanian you should know mountains reduce mixing with surrounding peoples and as an Iranic people there were several contacts with European Cimmerians and Iranic Scythians, Alans, Parthians, Medes and Mitanni Aryans.. Bulk West Asians aren't dark generally either.. Though cromagniform is significantly higher on Kurds compared to surrounding in West Asia these types are still minority..

Why do we assume some Kurds are light solely because of their Indo-Iranian connections? There are several genes responsible for light eyes, one of them is the European specific ht2 which is low among West Asian populations, including Kurds:

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-color-of-eyes-7-herc2-variants-in_27.html

What some call "Irano-CM" is likely just something local. Me and Equilibrium were comparing phenotype in our family and it seems this CM widespread in West-Asia is actually what others would call Mtebid. My great aunts, pure west-Asians from Ossetia:

Equilibrium's Aunt, from north-east Turkey:


Most CM types in the Mid-East and light eyes/hair are not linked with Indo-Europeans.

[MfA_]

Can you explain this futher?
I couldn't find right now but I probably mixed a few things.. It was something like medieval era head size and modern era head size of europeans are different..


Why do we assume some Kurds are light solely because of their Indo-Iranian connections? There are several genes responsible for light eyes, one of them is the European specific ht2 which is low among West Asian populations, including Kurds:


I've never claimed that :bored:
If anything, It should only increase the frequency.. As I already stated in the quoted post, West Asians aren't generally dark, It is closest to North European component for a good reason..

[d3cimat3d]

I've never claimed that :bored:

Yes but many Kurds of antrhoscape especially those don't have a basic understanding of genetics do claim that. Ask me and I will show you - it won't take long to dig through Che's posts to find it.


If anything, It should only increase the frequency..

It just reminds me of these Europeans who see light Syrians and imagine them being descendants of crusaders, when we know they have minimal north_European ancestry. How many of those light individuals are local and how many actually have a Mitanni/Cimmerian etc. connection?


It is closest to North European component for a good reason..

As far as I know, it was only Dienekes who claimed that, a west-Asian (Pontian?) who cannot think objectively and actually believes in absurd fantasies of Indo-Europeans from the south-Caucasus. All other dendograms (MDLP and a few others) showed the west-Asian/Caucasus component is actually an offshoot of the Red Sea/S-W Asian component.

[Methusalem]

Why do we assume some Kurds are light solely because of their Indo-Iranian connections? There are several genes responsible for light eyes, one of them is the European specific ht2 which is low among West Asian populations, including Kurds:

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-color-of-eyes-7-herc2-variants-in_27.html

What some call "Irano-CM" is likely just something local. Me and Equilibrium were comparing phenotype in our family and it seems this CM widespread in West-Asia is actually what others would call Mtebid. My great aunts, pure west-Asians from Ossetia:

Equilibrium's Aunt, from north-east Turkey:


Most CM types in the Mid-East and light eyes/hair are not linked with Indo-Europeans.

Mtebid is not CM.

[d3cimat3d]

Mtebid is not CM.

The point is lots of Middle-Eastern types have nothing to do with Cro-Magnid proper sub-race which are residues of the European Mesolithic. Mid-Eastern square faces are common in people who have no European ancestry at all, unlike the Kurds. This Syrian man for example:

http://i62.tinypic.com/1zpjqlx.jpg

He simply can't be Cro-Magnid because that is exclusive to Europe.

My great Aunt is Mtebid but if she had blond hair and eyes she would get classified as either Balto-CM or Faelid.

[Methusalem]

The point is lots of Middle-Eastern types have nothing to do with Cro-Magnid proper sub-race which are residues of the European Mesolithic. Mid-Eastern square faces are common in people who have no European ancestry at all, unlike the Kurds. This Syrian man for example:

http://i62.tinypic.com/1zpjqlx.jpg

He simply can't be Cro-Magnid because that is exclusive to Europe.

My great Aunt is Mtebid but if she had blond hair and eyes she would get classified as either Balto-CM or Faelid.

You are confusing the Cromagnon humans with the Cromganoid racial phenotype and Mtebid is just a Taurid type.

[Instinct]

This one us totally an east nordid, could go as russian.

http://abload.de/img/c8acd7ea9b8dd89aa305fmbdn7.jpg

I have seen these kind of blonde Kurds especially from the city of Siirt/Batman/Van like this guy on the photo.

[Joachim]

Some kurds here really look pan european, not like their brothers in europe who look very MENA, why do you think is like that?

This is what iran Neolithic people looked like.

Modern day Kurds,Iranians are mixed with natufians(gives the Mena Phenotype), anatolian farmers(med wogs),aasi dravidians.

For some reason a few isolated rural communities still preserve the original iran_N look despite having admixture from foreign sources.

Also,not all members in these populations will preserve the og iran_N look.

Mazandranis are the least natufian and aasi among Iranians and look whiter and different than other Iranians.
Although,a few mazandranis will still look like Arabs and Indians due to their small natufian and aasi