Ehud Olmert

[YeshAtid]

He's of Russian and Ukrainian descent. I find him a tad tricky to classify. Armenoid withh borreby influences?
http://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/images/members/olmert_ehud.jpg
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Former+Israeli+PM+Olmert+Court+Corruption+LDBgOvqd YdTl.jpg
http://www.egyptindependent.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/highslide_full/photo/2009/12/21/228/1.jpg.crop_display.jpg

[YeshAtid]

http://sptimes.ru/archive/img/1377/1377_23_olmert.jpg
http://www.bollyn.com/public/Netanyahu_and_Olmert.jpg

[Ozzy]

What's particularly Armenoid about him? I don't see the typically hooked nose, or a particularly sloped forehead or anything that I associate with Armenoids. Maybe it's something in his non-metrical facial features? But he just looks more Dinaric to me if anything. Is it just because he's Jewish? (Nevermind, I feel stupid. Hope you didn't catch that. lol)

What is it, bags under his eyes? Anyone get develop those if they stay up all night every night for years.. And he's an old fart. That's not necessarily a racial trait. In the third photo, first post, he reminds me of this guy I see on a frequent basis at this store, he's probably like Polish or something like that, too. Makes sense, as this guy's ancestry is mostly Eastern/North-Eastern European, no?

[YeshAtid]

What's particularly Armenoid about him? I don't see the typically hooked nose, or a particularly sloped forehead or anything that I associate with Armenoids. Maybe it's something in his non-metrical facial features? But he just looks more Dinaric to me if anything. Is it just because he's Jewish? (Nevermind, I feel stupid. Hope you didn't catch that. lol)

What is it, bags under his eyes? Anyone get develop those if they stay up all night every night for years.. And he's an old fart. That's not necessarily a racial trait. In the third photo, first post, he reminds me of this guy I see on a frequent basis at this store, he's probably like Polish or something like that, too. Makes sense, as this guy's ancestry is mostly Eastern/North-Eastern European, no?

He's extremely hard to classify. There are armenoid traits in his chin (the relative weakness). This guy looks like he's half Levantine, at the very least.

[Sikeliot]

East Nordid/Armenoid.

[YeshAtid]

East Nordid/Armenoid.

Do you get a Sicilian vibe off him?

[Sikeliot]

Do you get a Sicilian vibe off him?

In this picture more than the others.

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Former+Israeli+PM+Olmert+Court+Corruption+LDBgOvqd YdTl.jpg

[YeshAtid]

In this picture more than the others.

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I'm certain if an Aj said he was Sicilian, no one would bat an eyelid. And vice versa.

[Sikeliot]

I'm certain if an Aj said he was Sicilian, no one would bat an eyelid. And vice versa.

I've been saying that for a year now and you kept questioning it. :lol:

[Ozzy]

I don't see it, personally. (That he looks Levantine necessarily. If he does, it's in non-metric facial feature type stuff, the same way that an Indian might be metrically Caucasoid but their soft features and pigmentation are obviously non-European/Europid looking. His look is rather generic Dinaric/Alpine to me, I don't see why he couldn't fit in a place like Sicily or even Poland or Russia, as he is partially Russian..)

I think that there is something slightly odd about his facial features, but I think his look wouldn't be odd outside of some European countries overall. He reminds me of Ron Paul in the first photo.

I also don't think that every person with a relatively "weak" chin necessarily has anything armenoid about them, there are plenty of European types that can have a chin set a bit farther back that looks "weak", and I can post examples. Archaic CM types and some Nordic types can have that trait.

Although Olmert probably could be even just partially Levantine, and probably is if his ancestors intermarried with ethnically Levantine/mid eastern Jews.

[YeshAtid]

I've been saying that for a year now and you kept questioning it. :lol:

Because it sounded too simplistic at first lol

[Sikeliot]

Because it sounded too simplistic at first lol

Only the Sicilians who look very Greek, cannot pass as Jewish. Like, my look.

[YeshAtid]

Only the Sicilians who look very Greek, cannot pass as Jewish. Like, my look.

You look more Jewish than Greek.

[Sikeliot]

You look more Jewish than Greek.

I think I look as Greek as it gets, but that is just me.

[YeshAtid]

I think I look as Greek as it gets, but that is just me.

How Greek are you?

[Sikeliot]

How Greek are you?

However much I get from my Sicilian side. But my grandfather looked very Greek, and so did his mother.

But either way, the guy in this post could pass as full Levantine easily.

[YeshAtid]

However much I get from my Sicilian side. But my grandfather looked very Greek, and so did his mother.

But either way, the guy in this post could pass as full Levantine easily.
Indeed. This is just my opinion, but your Sicilian grandmother does very Levantine to me, the same with your grandfather.

[Sikeliot]

Indeed. This is just my opinion, but your Sicilian grandmother does very Levantine to me, the same with your grandfather.

My grandmother does, yes. Everyone used to mistake her for Jewish all the time.
I mean I am sure my grandfather could pass in like, Lebanon or Cyprus but I think he looks more Greek.

Anyway I don't want to derail your thread so if you want to discuss it you can post on my wall~

[Ozzy]

Are his ancestors just foreign immigrants to Russia and the Ukraine and only culturally so, or are they actually ethnically Russian and/or Ukraine? I don't see get how they'd look Levantine, in that case, if they have no genetic ties to such a distant place.

[YeshAtid]

Are his ancestors just foreign immigrants to Russia and the Ukraine and only culturally so, or are they actually ethnically Russian and/or Ukraine? I don't see get how they'd look Levantine, in that case, if they have no genetic ties to such a distant place.

They're Azkhenazis

[Ozzy]

They're Azkhenazis

So, they're mostly European to begin with, no? I still think that this guy's "un-measurable" traits may be what look non-European, then. But I've seen people posted by others who are said to be fully Euro with a similar nose shape, eyes, mouth, head shape, etc. Perhaps it's just all of his traits combined, I don't know.

[YeshAtid]

So, they're mostly European to begin with, no? I still think that this guy's "un-measurable" traits may be what look non-European, then. But I've seen people posted by others who are said to be fully Euro with a similar nose shape, eyes, mouth, head shape, etc. Perhaps it's just all of his traits combined, I don't know.

Azkhenazis are essentially Jewish Siciliana, part levantine part european

[Ozzy]

Azkhenazis are essentially Jewish Siciliana, part levantine part european

So, no matter where they're from, they're basically half Sicilian in origin? This would better explain why his look would fit best in Southern Europe (As Sike believes), or maybe the Balkans

I don't see the point in him identifying as (or anyone identifying him as) Russian or Ukraine since he no longer live in either country and has no genetic ties to either.

Do you suppose he could fit even atypically in Russia or the Ukraine?

[YeshAtid]

So, no matter where they're from, they're basically half Sicilian in origin?

They cluster with Sicilians

[Ozzy]

They cluster with Sicilians

Hmm, makes sense to me, if Olmert does cluster partially with Sicilians. Makes you wonder why he'd identify with either country if his only ties to it may have been his ancestor's temporary occupancy. Then again, does he really?

I always thought that Ashkenazis were generally noticeably more foreign genetically than they were physically, but that could be wrong. It seems as though a lot of Jewish posters disagree.

[YeshAtid]

Hmm, makes sense to me, if Olmert does cluster partially with Sicilians. Makes you wonder why he'd identify with either country if his only ties to it may have been his ancestor's temporary occupancy. Then again, does he really?

I always thought that Ashkenazis were generally noticeably more foreign genetically than they were physically, but that could be wrong. It seems as though a lot of Jewish posters disagree.
I disagree

[armenianbodyhair]

He does't look particularly levantine or armenoid to me. I would never guess him as Ashkenazi.

[Ozzy]

I disagree

Well, I can see that. I'm just going by what I've generally read, and what I see. I still don't know what to believe for sure, I just know that if I ever see some dudes standing around in public with their black trench coats and skull caps looking lost and confused and not talking to anyone, they most often look like these random (going by looks, most likely gentile) fellows

http://i54.tinypic.com/jzv7n6.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L2hvkoP-teA/TUSrew-nS_I/AAAAAAAAAB8/6GtVZAmBROs/s1600/beard.jpg
http://us.cdn4.123rf.com/168nwm/dimedrol68/dimedrol681202/dimedrol68120200040/12199826-young-upbeat-guy-with-a-beard-in-black-t-shirt.jpg

So I find this interesting.

Perhaps they're just mostly converts in some areas? I'm just used to seeing Jews that look like Europeans with beards and odd ethnic garb to me. Maybe this is just one demographic?

[YeshAtid]

He does't look particularly levantine or armenoid to me. I would never guess him as Ashkenazi.
Where would you guess him?

Well, I can see that. I'm just going by what I've generally read, and what I see. I still don't know what to believe for sure, I just know that if I ever see some dudes standing around in public with their black trench coats and skull caps looking lost and confused and not talking to anyone, they most often look like these random (going by looks, most likely gentile) fellows

http://i54.tinypic.com/jzv7n6.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L2hvkoP-teA/TUSrew-nS_I/AAAAAAAAAB8/6GtVZAmBROs/s1600/beard.jpg
http://us.cdn4.123rf.com/168nwm/dimedrol68/dimedrol681202/dimedrol68120200040/12199826-young-upbeat-guy-with-a-beard-in-black-t-shirt.jpg

So I find this interesting.

Perhaps they're just mostly converts in some areas? I'm just used to seeing Jews that look like Europeans with beards and odd ethnic garb to me. Maybe this is just one demographic?

Jews are white. I've seen Iraqi Jews who look very WASP

[armenianbodyhair]

Where would you guess him?


Jews are white. I've seen Iraqi Jews who look very WASP

To be honest, central europe.

[Tooting Carmen]

He looks like a Slavic-Armenoid hybrid

[Smeagol]

East Nordid with Taurid, and Alpinid/Cromagnid influences.

[YeshAtid]

East Nordid with Taurid, and Alpinid/Cromagnid influences.

He looks hard to place imo

[aherne]

Looks Levantine mainly (resembles my gf's father, who is Syrian Arab). Cannot fit in Europe except in Italy (as usual) or Greece (atypical, though)...

[ficuscarica]

He gives me a bit of a Serbian vibe.

[YeshAtid]

Looks Levantine mainly (resembles my gf's father, who is Syrian Arab). Cannot fit in Europe except in Italy (as usual) or Greece (atypical, though)...

He looks quite unusual though

[YeshAtid]

He gives me a bit of a Serbian vibe.

Really?

[YeshAtid]

bump

[Methusalem]

East-Nordid with a very clear and heavy Taurid component(armenoid in this case especially given his ancestry).

Here we can easily observe the Taurid component.

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.450211.1341925455!/image/1487757856.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/1487757856.jpg

[YeshAtid]

East-Nordid with a very clear and heavy Taurid component(armenoid in this case especially given his ancestry).

Here we can easily observe the Taurid component.

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.450211.1341925455!/image/1487757856.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/1487757856.jpg

Where could he pass?

[Methusalem]

Where could he pass?

Could pass superficially in southern parts of Central-Europe. I could see him passing as a Nordid/Norid Bavarian wearing lederhosen. It is the Taurid component which makes him too exotic for Western Europe or Northern Europe.

[YeshAtid]

Could pass superficially in southern parts of Central-Europe. I could see him passing as a Nordid/Norid Bavarian wearing lederhosen. It is the Taurid component which makes him too exotic for Western Europe or Northern Europe.

I agree, but I do think he has quite an unusual look. I wouldn't guess him as Jewish at all.

[Methusalem]

I agree, but I do think he has quite an unusual look. I wouldn't guess him as Jewish at all.

Me neither. Rather as a East-Nordoid from the Caucasus region with armenoid admixture.

[YeshAtid]

Me neither. Rather as a East-Nordoid from the Caucasus region with armenoid admixture.

I know this probably sounds quite absurd, but this guy perhaps embodies the Khazar look.