Children of the Great Bear

[Hweinlant]

This is the first chapter of my forthcoming series about Fennic nations of Northeast Europe. Pictures presented here are scanned by me from several different Finnish anthropologists. All material, I believe, first time available for internet public.

All of the pictures are taken by Finnish Expeditionist and anthropologists such as A.O Väisänen, A.O Heikelin, U. Harva, U.T Sirelius (& Herman Stenberg) and I.K Inha.

All pictures are from late 1890's or two first decades of 1900's before Bolshevik revolution which made it impossible for Finns to connect with the kindred people.

Period known as Kindred Wars, 1918 - 1922, stopped any Finnish attempt to seek more information about these Fennic nations. Kindred Wars, or Heimosodat in Finnish,were series of military campaigns by Finns, Estonians and Karelians to join Balto-Fennic lands under umbrella of Finland.

Unfortunately Slavo-Jewish Bolshevik Pan-Slavist Russians were able to put down the Fennic resistance. This caused the life of tens of thousends of Ingrian Finns and Karelians to end at the slaughter house of Judeo-Bolshevik Slavs.

Later the Fennic genocide expanded to Estonians and full scale total war against Finland.

Thanks to Ukko, the Overgod, many of them still strugle under the Judeo-Bolshevik Slavic yoke.


Chapter 1, The Komi:

Komi-people live closest to Baltic-Finns (Finns, Karelians, Vepsians, Votians, Ichorans and Estonians). They belong to Perm-Finnic branch of Fennics.

Ancient Skandinavian Sagas, Eddas, tell tale about Bjarmians, it is generally considered that Bjarmians are main ancestors of Komi. Later some northern Komi groups have intermingled with Samoyed reindeer herders. Komi however are Europid Fennic people, not arctic Mongoloids, like Samoyeds.
Most of my Komi scans were unfortunately belove the standard. Komi was part of Novgorod Republic and prior Rus’ period part of mighty Goth king Ermanaric’s realm.

Komi Republic at North Russia:
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Komi wives:

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Women folk of the village

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Many northern Komi groups made substantial wealth from Reindeers:

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Chapter 2, The Mordvinians:

Mordvinians are formed by two kindred nations, Ersä and Moksha. Mordvinians today are the largest nation amongst the Fennic nations surviving under the Slavic Yoke. Mordvinians were also part of the Ermanarics Gothic real. Jordanes, the historian, in his Origins and deeds of the Goths wrote:

Soon Geberich, king of the Goths, departed from human affairs and Hermanaric, noblest of the Amali, succeeded to the throne. He subdued many warlike peoples of the north and made them obey his laws, and some of our ancestors have justly compared him to Alexander the Great. Among the tribes he conquered were the Golthescytha, Thiudos Inaunxis, Vasinabroncae, Merens, Mordens, Imniscaris, Rogas, Tadzans, Athaul, Navego, Bubegenae and Coldae.

Thiudos in Aunxis were Balto-fennic people (people in Aunus, Aunus is the real name of lake Onega at NW Russia), like Vas-In-Abroncae too. Ves’ we know well from Rus’ chronicles as founders of the Novgorodian Republic and allies of Rurik the Rus. Merens were the Meryans, now no more with us, one more dead Fennic nation. Mordens are the Mordvinians, whom next picture set is about. They were there to see how Attila the Hun grew up in power and fought against Fenno-Gothic armies of Hermanaric.

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Group of Mordvinian female folks, they were called “Silver Birch wood” by their non-Mordvinian neighbours:

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Typical village scenes:

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Mordvinian wedding, wife-to-be is not exactly relaxed:

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Wife-to-be is waiting for the beer-cup to be emptied by the foreign photographer, Pay attention to headwear, Scythian fashion, still alive and kicking year 1908:

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Mordvinian girls with their best dresses, Scythian style:

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Wife is afraid of the camera:

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Village men:

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Typical family:

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Chapter 3, The Maris:

Mari people live in the Republic of Mari-El. They, like other Fennic nations are under heavy Russification by the Judeo-Bolshevik Pan-Slavic circles which have held ideological power in Russia since the Bolshevik revolution.Republic of Mari-EL is ruled by the Slavs, Fennic activists live under threat of violence, even death.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/RussiaMariEl.png

Mari people live at the banks of Volga-river, at the cross roads of Europe and Asia. This can be seen from their anthropological types. When the Mongol horselords reached Europe, Mari-land was part of their governing centre, the Golden Ring. From here Mongols gave their orders and send troops to reign over much of the East Europe.

Mari Village:

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Beekeeper climbs to the beenest:

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Fennic magic to cure the child:

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Family life:

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Chapter 4, The Udmurts:

Out of all Fennic nations Udmurts, together with the Komi, are the most least known. Udmurts however are large nation by Fennic scale. Kalashnikov, yes the mr. AK-47, is ethnic Udmurt. Udmurts live at the borderlands of Europe and Asia. Their northern location and Ural mountains have protected them from Mongols and Judeo-Bolshevik Slavs. Like all Fennic nations of Russia their existence is far from certain. May they live free from the Slavic Yoke and prosper. Many linguistics consider Udmurtia originating place of Uralic language group.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/RussiaUdmurtia.png

Heavy silver decoration is known by all Fennic nations, from Urals to Baltic Sea:

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Cattle breeding and farming has been the traditional way of life:
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Udmurts like all Fennic nations have traditionally been heathens:
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http://i37.tinypic.com/ilhel5.jpg

These are the children of the Great Bear, the Northern Star, mighty Otava.

[Hweinlant]

If anyone has any additional info , please contribute. This thread is not ment for dark monologue by Hweinlant.

[Osweo]

This is the first chapter of my forthcoming series about Fennic nations of Northeast Europe. Pictures presented here are scanned by me from several different Finnish anthropologists. All material, I believe, first time available for internet public.
Excellent photos! Thankyou! :thumb001:

Slavo-Jewish Bolshevik Pan-Slavist Russians ... Judeo-Bolshevik Slavs. ... Judeo-Bolshevik Slavic yoke. ... Slavic Yoke. ... Judeo-Bolshevik Pan-Slavic circles which have held ideological power in Russia since the Bolshevik revolution
Idiotic comments! No thankyou! :blah::yawn:

Chapter 1, The Komi:
Ancient Skandinavian Sagas, Eddas, tell tale about Bjarmians, it is generally considered that Bjarmians are main ancestors of Komi.
I don't think they're mentioned in the Edda. The main source is the account of one Ohthere (Ottar) recorded in King AElfred's English translation of some Latin books...

Later some northern Komi groups have intermingled with Samoyed reindeer herders.
Aye, the Nentsy in much of the territory north of Komi-mu now have forgotten their old language, and use Komi and Russian. A good book about the region is 'Свяшенные Нарты' a diary of a man from Kharkov who went to live with the reindeer herders for several months in the 1960s, manning the portable cinema that was assigned to the nomadic group.

Komi however are Europid Fennic people, not arctic Mongoloids, like Samoyeds.
My Komi acquaintances are rather fair, yes.

Komi Republic at North Russia:
http://i33.tinypic.com/157bqte.jpg
Under the Mordva, you mention the two divisions of this people, so you should do the same for the Komi; they are divided into Komi-Permyaks and Komi-Zyrians. THe Permyaks live in the northwestern half of the block just below the Komi Republic on your map.

Chapter 2, The Mordvinians:
It's probably easier just to call them the Mordva.

Mordvinians are formed by two kindred nations, Ersä and Moksha.
Spelt 'Erzya' in Russian, at least, I add for completion's sake.

Mordvinians were also part of the Ermanarics Gothic realm.
You might mention their cousins, the Burtas (Буртас) mentioned in the list of peoples under the Khazar Khanate...

This map I photographed and coloured might be of interest;
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1473/dubkeytt2.jpg
I found it in Narody Povolzh'ya i Priural'ya, Narody i Kul'tury (Peoples of the Volga and Urals, from the series Peoples and Cultures), published by Nauka, Moskva 2000, by N.F.Mokshin, T.P.Fedyanovich, L.S.Khristolyubova, which I immediately bought, despite the extortionate price of 1600 rubles. :thumbs up

Are you learning the evil Black Speech of Mordor, Hweiiny, in order to converse with your kinsfolk? If so, I have links of interest... There's a few lessons of Komi language that I enjoyed on the net, for instance.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/2282/stunde1.html
http://www.geocities.com/athens/2282/stunde2.html
http://www.geocities.com/athens/2282/stunde3.html
http://www.geocities.com/athens/2282/stunde4.html

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Repeat after me...
Ыджыд мыджöд джыджыд вуджыс,
Джуджыд кöджын джыджлöн поз.
Джыджыд гыджгö — ыджыд уджыс,
Джыджлы уджавтöг оз позь.

Ydzhyd mydzh@d dzhydzhyd vudzhys
Dzhudzhyd k@dzhyn dzhydzhl@n poz.
Dzhydzhyd gydzhg@ - ydzhyd udzhys,
Dzhydzhly udzhavt@g oz poz'!

Or maybe it's easier with 'English style' 'J's...
Yjyd myj@d jyjyd vujys
Jujyd k@jyn jyjl@n poz.
Jyjyd gyjg@ - yjyd ujys,
Jyjly ujavt@g oz poz'!



Аддаысьлытöдз! :p

[Hweinlant]

Idiotic comments! No thankyou! :blah::yawn:



Slavofilia is form of satanism.



I don't think they're mentioned in the Edda. The main source is the account of one Ohthere (Ottar) recorded in King AElfred's English translation of some Latin books...


Check out Saga of Bosi and Herraud:

"Here in the forest stands a great temple. King Harek owns it, who rules here over Bjarmaland. The god called Jomali is worshipped. There is much gold and treasure. The king's mother, who is called Kolfrosta, is in charge of the temple. She is made strong by witchcraft so that nothing takes her by surprise. She knows beforehand with her magic that she will not live out this month, and so she traveled in the shape of an animal east to Glaesir Plain and took away Hleidi, the sister of King Godmund, and intends that she shall be one of her priestesses. That is a loss indeed, for she is the most beautiful and most courteous maiden, and it would be best if that could be prevented."



Aye, the Nentsy in much of the territory north of Komi-mu


Many people dont know that Nenets live even at Kola Peninsula, and call themselves as Saami :eek:



Are you learning the evil Black Speech of Mordor, Hweiiny, in order to converse with your kinsfolk?


I do read and speak the black speach, even if it kills me inside a bit by every word.

I didnt go into dead folks deeply, main idea was on the living folks. I also passed the Metserä, Muro-ma (like Ilya Muromets) etc. There is group of Turkified Fennics, Karatai. They are likely Ersä or Moksha by origins. They also played part at Khazar empire, perhaps there is little Fennic inside of the Ashkenazi jews.

[Jamt]

Hweinlant, are you going to publish this or is it part of a thesis?

[Osweo]

Hweinlant, are you going to publish this or is it part of a thesis?
Hmmm...

Slavo-Jewish Bolshevik Pan-Slavist Russians ... Judeo-Bolshevik Slavs. ... Judeo-Bolshevik Slavic yoke. ... Slavic Yoke. ... Judeo-Bolshevik Pan-Slavic circles which have held ideological power in Russia since the Bolshevik revolution
...
Slavofilia is form of satanism.
I somehow doubt that this is part of any thesis... :thumbs up

[Jamt]

The log houses on the photos are beautiful. I wonder if the Swedish lafting traditions roots should/might not be find in the Finns instead of the Slavs.

[Osweo]

The log houses on the photos are beautiful. I wonder if the Swedish lafting traditions roots should/might not be find in the Finns instead of the Slavs.
It might be worth bringing up the enormous loghouses of Central Europe in the Neolithic, specifically from the Linearbandkeramik culture (LBK). Many of the groups ancestral to the modern Finnics will have still been nomadic at the time, and settled life will have first been learnt from their (IE speaking) southern neighbours. I suspect the early Baltic-speakers may have been most influential in laying the foundations for the domestic architecture of North East Europe (their range formerly extended as far east as the Oka, beyond Moscow).

Of course, I would be delighted to hear of contradictory facts! :D

[Hweinlant]

It might be worth bringing up the enormous loghouses of Central Europe in the Neolithic, specifically from the Linearbandkeramik culture (LBK). Many of the groups ancestral to the modern Finnics will have still been nomadic at the time, and settled life will have first been learnt from their (IE speaking) southern neighbours.


Learnt from IE people ? Sorry no. Original IE people were gypsy like wonderers, they were no farmers. I have allways wondered how they became cedential . IE's were nomads, not much different from original FU's. Difference was mainly climatic.



I suspect the early Baltic-speakers may have been most influential in laying the foundations for the domestic architecture of North East Europe (their range formerly extended as far east as the Oka, beyond Moscow).

Of course, I would be delighted to hear of contradictory facts! :D

IE's and FU's seem to have similar distribution. IE's at the south and FU's at the north, Indo-Uralic so to speak. Volosovo -> Fatyano is propably Baltic origins. Archaic IE with massive FU substrata.

There is new study about R1a* which seems to back it up.

Btw; Me calling those slavs as Bolsheviks is fully correct when put in place. Do they celebrate mass murder of Ingrians, Karelians, Finns and Veps ? Yes they do, every 9th of may!

Have they said sorry ? No they havent. So fuck them Bolshevik slavs.

[Osweo]

Learnt from IE people ? Sorry no.
Sorry yes. And they learnt it from Balkan/Anatolian peoples, probably speakers of Tyrrheno-Pelasgian or Caucasian languages. NECaucasians probably invented it, in the Zagros. No shame in admitting this, it seems to fit the archaeology, botany and linguistics reasonably well. Please prove to me that I am wrong.

Original IE people were gypsy like wonderers, they were no farmers. I have allways wondered how they became cedential . IE's were nomads, not much different from original FU's. Difference was mainly climatic.
Some or most of the ancestors of the PIE speakers were living a Finnic type lifestyle, but at the time of the dispersal they had already developed a mixed adaptation, combining pastoralism, agriculture and the traditional ways. You can see this in the common words inherited from that time, all the way from the Ganges to the Atlantic.

IE's and FU's seem to have similar distribution. IE's at the south and FU's at the north, Indo-Uralic so to speak. Volosovo -> Fatyano is propably Baltic origins. Archaic IE with massive FU substrata.
Massive is an exaggeration.

Btw; Me calling those slavs as Bolsheviks is fully correct when put in place. Do they celebrate mass murder of Ingrians, Karelians, Finns and Veps ? Yes they do, every 9th of may!

Have they said sorry ? No they havent. So fuck them Bolshevik slavs.
День Победы/Victory Day is about saving other Russians from death and slavery and defending the borders of the Russian lands. Nobody even THINKS about the Finnic peoples on those days. :rolleyes:

Intentional non-capitalisation is incredibly childish. I even capitalise Muslim and Somali. :coffee:

HWEINLANT, this could be a great thread, but it's in English on an international forum, so you can't just make stupid provocative comments that ruin it all. If you'd talked about Russian cultural pressures more dispassionately, or at least sensibly, I probably would have been grateful. I know they're not angels. Now let's get back to the topic.

[Motörhead Remember Me]

Slavofilia is form of satanism.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

... w o n d e r f u l.

[Matuo]

It is interesting that Finns and Komi have had same dog breed, which nowdays is called as Karelian bear dog. This dog supposedly originated in Komi area some 1000 years ago, and quickly (within 2 centuries) spread to Karelian areas.

In wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_Bear_Dog)

More info is in Finnish (http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karjalankarhukoira) version of wiki.

http://www.freewebs.com/tilikunhepat2/ellukka.jpg

[Hweinlant]

It is interesting that Finns and Komi have had same dog breed, which nowdays is called as Karelian bear dog. This dog supposedly originated in Komi area some 1000 years ago, and quickly (within 2 centuries) spread to Karelian areas.

In wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_Bear_Dog)

More info is in Finnish (http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karjalankarhukoira) version of wiki.

http://www.freewebs.com/tilikunhepat2/ellukka.jpg

Most northern dog breeds are connected to few (east) Siberian wolfs by dna.

Samoyed dog:

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images17/SamoyedHolly3YearsOld.JPG

Husky:

http://www.breederretriever.com/photopost/data/635/medium/siberian.jpg