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HellLander87

11-20-2013, 08:21 PM

Sikeliot

11-20-2013, 08:25 PM

Post your results and say something about your ancestry.
Here are mine.I am from Thessaly.
Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 10.51%
EAST_EURO 7.39%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 12.43%
ATLANTIC 14.74%
WEST_MED 17.79%
EAST_MED 27.51%
WEST_ASIAN 5.20%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 4.31%
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 0.10%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

This shows what I have always said.. mainland Greeks are more northern influenced (45.07% for you) than West Asian influenced (37.02% for you).

HellLander87

11-20-2013, 08:28 PM

This shows what I have always said.. mainland Greeks are more northern influenced (45.07% for you) than West Asian influenced (37.02% for you).
I guess that makes me 50% paleo balkanian at most.

Black Wolf

11-21-2013, 09:42 PM

I would like to see the results of Albanians and South Slavs as well.

Geni

11-21-2013, 09:46 PM

27.57% EAST_MED
18.70% WEST_MED
15.15% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
13.11% ATLANTIC
9.41% WEST_ASIAN
8.04% SOUTH_BALTIC
5.30% EAST_EURO
2.16% MIDDLE_EASTERN

Geni

11-21-2013, 09:51 PM

.Hellander ......................Post your results and say something about your ancestry.
Here are mine. I am from Thessaly.
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Population
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EAST_MED 27.51%
WEST_MED 17.79%
ATLANTIC 14.74%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 12.43%
SOUTH_BALTIC 10.51%
EAST_EURO 7.39%
WEST_ASIAN 5.20%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 4.31%

Black Wolf

11-21-2013, 09:55 PM

27.57% EAST_MED
18.70% WEST_MED
15.15% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
13.11% ATLANTIC
9.41% WEST_ASIAN
8.04% SOUTH_BALTIC
5.30% EAST_EURO
2.16% MIDDLE_EASTERN

Interesting results. Are you Gheg or Tosk?

Geni

11-21-2013, 09:55 PM

hm..we are not very far...

Geni

11-21-2013, 09:56 PM

I am Tosk

HellLander87

11-21-2013, 09:56 PM

27.57% EAST_MED
18.70% WEST_MED
15.15% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
13.11% ATLANTIC
9.41% WEST_ASIAN
8.04% SOUTH_BALTIC
5.30% EAST_EURO
2.16% MIDDLE_EASTERN

We have very similar results Geni:)Actually most differences are +-3 % at most.I am a bit more East euro, South baltic,you are a bit more North central euro.My west asian is lower but i have more middle eastern

Stefan_Dusan

11-21-2013, 10:07 PM

Per Jaxman request:

1)Atlantic 21.56
2)West Med 17.75
3)South Baltic 17.41
4)North Central Euro 15.46
5)East Euro 14.85
6)East Med 12.97

Geni

11-21-2013, 10:11 PM

Black Wolf

11-21-2013, 10:11 PM

Per Jaxman request:

1)Atlantic 21.56
2)West Med 17.75
3)South Baltic 17.41
4)North Central Euro 15.46
5)East Euro 14.85
6)East Med 12.97

Now that is interesting and a bit unexpected. The Atlantic component is dominant in the Basque country and far West Europe.

HellLander87

11-21-2013, 10:14 PM

My full Olympian's uncle's results.We have some distant ancestors from Epirus too.
1 EAST_MED 20.42
2 WEST_MED 19.68
3 ATLANTIC 15.43
4 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 13
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.1
6 WEST_ASIAN 8.6
7 EAST_EURO 6.68
8 MIDDLE_EASTERN 4.08
I can't explain this staggering difference we have at east med. He has only 20%:)

HellLander87

11-21-2013, 10:28 PM

Does anyone have an idea howdid this North Central Euro end up in Balkans

Sikeliot

11-21-2013, 10:40 PM

Now that is interesting and a bit unexpected. The Atlantic component is dominant in the Basque country and far West Europe.

Post your grandfather's! That way we can compare him to the two Greek results posted. :)

What I am seeing is that it is likely that mainland Greeks and Albanians have similar ancestry, but Greeks probably have slightly more "Slavic" as well as more East Med.

HellLander87

11-21-2013, 10:41 PM

hellander ..your K 12 results ? I am curious...my result are her
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Paleo_Mediterranean 35.00%
Caucasian 20.90%
East_European 16.34%
Celto_Germanic 13.08%
Iberian 5.85%
South_Central_Asian 2.85%
Paleo_Balkanic 2.28%
Uralic_Permic 1.75%
Volga_Uralic 1.06%
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1 Paleo_Mediterranean 34.79
2 Caucasian 17.85
3 East_European 17.75
4 Celto_Germanic 10.29
5 Iberian 8.52
6 South_Central_Asian 4.96
7 Paleo_Balkanic 2.09
8 Balto_Finnic 1.77
9 Uralic_Permic 0.71
10 Paleo_North_European 0.7
11 Volga_Uralic 0.56

Mdlp k12 here

Black Wolf

11-21-2013, 10:44 PM

Post your grandfather's! That way we can compare him to the two Greek results posted. :)

What I am seeing is that it is likely that mainland Greeks and Albanians have similar ancestry, but Greeks probably have slightly more "Slavic" as well as more East Med.

I shall give me a few moments.

Sikeliot

11-21-2013, 10:45 PM

I shall give me a few moments.

That way we can see how Greek the Calabrese might actually be (or not, depending on how they compare), by comparing with the Greek results.

Black Wolf

11-21-2013, 10:49 PM

Here are my grandfather's results. He is 100% Italian from the Calabrian region of Italy. He is very East_Med.

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 5.14%
EAST_EURO -
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 9.68%
ATLANTIC 11.02%
WEST_MED 16.51%
EAST_MED 34.35%
WEST_ASIAN 14.03%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 8.97%
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 0.31%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

MfA_

11-21-2013, 10:53 PM

Greek Islander (Half Kalymnos/Half Crete)
SOUTH_BALTIC 4.79%
EAST_EURO -
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 6.37%
ATLANTIC 8.29%
WEST_MED 17.62%
EAST_MED 36.40%
WEST_ASIAN 14.85%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 11.13%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.55%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

Cretan Greek
SOUTH_BALTIC 3.47%
EAST_EURO 3.74%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 10.23%
ATLANTIC 9.21%
WEST_MED 15.29%
EAST_MED 34.48%
WEST_ASIAN 15.09%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 8.50%
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

Sikeliot

11-21-2013, 11:04 PM

Greek islanders and Calabrese are almost identical unsurprisingly!! Wow. Jaxman, take a look at these.

I bet Sicilians would be the same.

Greek Islander (Half Kalymnos/Half Crete)
SOUTH_BALTIC 4.79%
EAST_EURO -
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 6.37%
ATLANTIC 8.29%
WEST_MED 17.62%
EAST_MED 36.40%
WEST_ASIAN 14.85%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 11.13%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.55%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

Cretan Greek
SOUTH_BALTIC 3.47%
EAST_EURO 3.74%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 10.23%
ATLANTIC 9.21%
WEST_MED 15.29%
EAST_MED 34.48%
WEST_ASIAN 15.09%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 8.50%
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

Here are my grandfather's results. He is 100% Italian from the Calabrian region of Italy. He is very East_Med.

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 5.14%
EAST_EURO -
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 9.68%
ATLANTIC 11.02%
WEST_MED 16.51%
EAST_MED 34.35%
WEST_ASIAN 14.03%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 8.97%
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 0.31%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

Almost identical!

Black Wolf

11-21-2013, 11:06 PM

^Yup makes sense! :D

Sikeliot

11-21-2013, 11:07 PM

^Yup makes sense! :D

Here is a full Sicilian from Termini Imerese, Palermo province. Compare also to your grandfather and the Greek islanders -- very close.

# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 33.62
2 WEST_MED 16.64
3 ATLANTIC 13.60
4 MIDDLE_EASTERN 11.98
5 WEST_ASIAN 10.17
6 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 8.20
7 SOUTH_BALTIC 5.79

Sikeliot

11-22-2013, 02:41 AM

Greek, 3/4 Peloponnesian 1/4 Macedonian

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.96
2 West_Med 17.72
3 North_Sea 14.19
4 Atlantic 13.96
5 West_Asian 11.66
6 Baltic 8.59
7 Eastern_Euro 5.88
8 Red_Sea 4.12
9 Northeast_African 0.37
10 Southeast_Asian 0.26
11 Oceanian 0.25
12 South_Asian 0.04

Sicilian, Palermo

Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.77
2 West_Med 18.42
3 North_Sea 14.86
4 West_Asian 11.81
5 Red_Sea 7.38
6 Atlantic 7.23
7 Eastern_Euro 2.56
8 Baltic 2.51
9 Sub-Saharan 1.55
10 Amerindian 0.90

Sicilian, Palermo

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.69
2 Atlantic 19.11
3 West_Med 18.29
4 West_Asian 14.43
5 Baltic 6.28
6 Red_Sea 5.82
7 North_Sea 3.19
8 Eastern_Euro 2.19

Black Wolf

11-22-2013, 02:47 AM

Sikeliot

11-22-2013, 02:48 AM

Those look like they are from a different calculator.

They're close enough I think, most of the components match.

Black Wolf

11-22-2013, 02:50 AM

They're close enough I think, most of the components match.

Have those people had their EUtest results posted yet?

Sikeliot

11-22-2013, 02:52 AM

Have those people had their EUtest results posted yet?

I don't know what EUtest is.

Black Wolf

11-22-2013, 03:03 AM

I don't know what EUtest is.

lol it is what people have been posting results of in this thread.

7eleven

11-22-2013, 03:21 AM

My moms results: (she is ashkenazi but still seems very similar to Greek Islanders and Southern Italians)

SOUTH_BALTIC 6.28%
EAST_EURO 4.28%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 11.69%
ATLANTIC 9.57%
WEST_MED 15.13%
EAST_MED 28.92%
WEST_ASIAN 9.79%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 12.15%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.32%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.49%
EAST_ASIAN 0.99%
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.40%

Behrouz

11-23-2013, 06:42 PM

This shows what I have always said.. mainland Greeks are more northern influenced (45.07% for you) than West Asian influenced (37.02% for you).

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130511212749/clubpenguin/images/0/00/Funny-facepalm-meme-computer.jpg

EUtest averages
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQS1lQYUZIVlNmTlk/edit?pli=1

Greeks

SOUTH_BALTIC 6.56
EAST_EURO 2.62
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 8.22
ATLANTIC 9.9
WEST_MED 17.25
EAST_MED 32.77
WEST_ASIAN 14.28
MIDDLE_EASTERN 8.1
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.11
EAST_AFRICAN 0.06
EAST_ASIAN 0.02
SIBERIAN 0.1
WEST_AFRICAN 0.01

(SOUTH_BALTIC + EAST_EURO + NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO + ATLANTIC) = 27.3
(EAST_MED + WEST_ASIAN + MIDDLE_EASTERN) = 55.15

In every calculator you can find, Greeks are more Middle-Eastern / EastMed influenced than Northern inluenced, get your facts straight. Your "mainland" Greek fetishism makes you sound funny.

Sikeliot

11-23-2013, 06:48 PM

EUtest averages
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQS1lQYUZIVlNmTlk/edit?pli=1

Greeks

SOUTH_BALTIC 6.56
EAST_EURO 2.62
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 8.22
ATLANTIC 9.9
WEST_MED 17.25
EAST_MED 32.77
WEST_ASIAN 14.28
MIDDLE_EASTERN 8.1
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.11
EAST_AFRICAN 0.06
EAST_ASIAN 0.02
SIBERIAN 0.1
WEST_AFRICAN 0.01

(SOUTH_BALTIC + EAST_EURO + NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO + ATLANTIC) = 27.3
(EAST_MED + WEST_ASIAN + MIDDLE_EASTERN) = 55.15

In every calculator you can find, Greeks are more Middle-Eastern / EastMed influenced than Northern inluenced, get your facts straight. Your "mainland" Greek fetishism makes you sound funny.

Those results take islanders, Pontians, Cretans into account dipshit.

Behrouz

11-23-2013, 06:50 PM

"Mainland Greeks" according to Sikeliot
http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/fileadmin/media/wochenbericht/2005/47/3-skandinavien-weihnachtsmann-kinder.jpg

Behrouz

11-23-2013, 06:52 PM

Those results take islanders, Pontians, Cretans into account dipshit.

No they dont. I've seen Greeks with similar results to Greek average. What you say is BS and shouldnt be taken seriously. What's next? Do "mainland Greeks" cluster with Finns?

Sikeliot

11-23-2013, 06:53 PM

No they dont. I've seen Greeks with similar results to Greek average.

They must have mixed origins from all over Greece.

Behrouz

11-23-2013, 07:00 PM

They must have mixed origins from all over Greece.

In fact the guy in OP must have mixed origins because his results are similar to Balkan Slavs. In every project (be it Dodecad, Eugenes, mdlp ect) Greeks are 20-25% Northern european at most. Even Balkan Slavs are 30-40% northern European (depends on population) do you really expect Greeks to be 50% Northern? Greeks are east med population get over it.

Thrax

11-24-2013, 09:14 AM

SOUTH_BALTIC 11.88%
EAST_EURO 3.60%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 12.21%
ATLANTIC 12.09%
WEST_MED 15.99%
EAST_MED 25.08%
WEST_ASIAN 14.30%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 4.85%

Sikeliot

11-24-2013, 04:57 PM

A Cretan Greek that I know. Again very similar to Jaxman's Calabrese grandfather.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 32.62
2 WEST_MED 13.58
3 WEST_ASIAN 13.45
4 MIDDLE_EASTERN 11.37
5 ATLANTIC 10.99
6 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 9.37
7 SOUTH_BALTIC 5.55
8 EAST_EURO 3.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 GR 4.82
2 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 5.24
3 AJ 5.55
4 Tuscan 15.42
5 TR 17.35
6 Assyrian 19.83
7 North_Italian 19.86
8 IQ 20.71
9 RO 21.09
10 Armenian 21.37
11 Mandean 21.6
12 Samaritan 22.03
13 Druze 22.16
14 Serbian 22.92
15 Kurdish 23
16 IR 23.58
17 PT 26.3
18 ES 28.19
19 HU 29.36
20 AT 29.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.6% GR + 44.4% AJ @ 3.16
2 93.1% GR + 6.9% Bedouin @ 3.4
3 85.7% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 14.3% Kurdish @ 3.64
4 85% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 15% Mandean @ 3.67
5 86.2% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 13.8% IR @ 3.67
6 84.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 15.6% Assyrian @ 3.81
7 87.5% GR + 12.5% IQ @ 3.85
8 86.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 13.6% Druze @ 3.97
9 85.7% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 14.3% IQ @ 4
10 85.1% AJ + 14.9% Druze @ 4.04
11 84% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 16% TR @ 4.14
12 58.8% Tuscan + 41.2% Mandean @ 4.28
13 90.9% GR + 9.1% Samaritan @ 4.31
14 58% GR + 42% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.31
15 54.1% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 45.9% AJ @ 4.34
16 52.9% North_Italian + 47.1% Druze @ 4.35
17 91.4% GR + 8.6% Mandean @ 4.39
18 97.2% GR + 2.8% Ethiopian @ 4.41
19 88.1% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 11.9% Armenian @ 4.41
20 92.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 7.5% Lezgin @ 4.47

Sikeliot

11-24-2013, 05:10 PM

Have those people had their EUtest results posted yet?

Those were from an older version of EUTest I realized. Close enough though.

Here is an Italian from Abruzzo:

Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.86
2 West_Med 17.85
3 Atlantic 17.75
4 West_Asian 14.78
5 North_Sea 8.66
6 Baltic 6.41
7 Red_Sea 4.69

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jewish @ 9.617
2 Ashkenazi @ 10.833
3 Greek @ 11.424
4 Tuscan @ 12.451
5 Cyprian @ 17.840
6 North_Italian @ 19.863
7 Bulgarian @ 20.601
8 Lebanese_Muslim @ 21.782
9 Turkish @ 22.779
10 Syrian @ 23.047

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% North_Italian @ 4.919
2 50% Lebanese_Christian +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.479
3 50% Cyprian +50% Tuscan @ 5.488
4 50% Lebanese_Christian +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.687
5 50% Sephardic_Jewish +50% Tuscan @ 5.798
6 50% Lebanese_Druze +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.883
7 50% Lebanese_Muslim +50% North_Italian @ 6.133
8 50% Greek +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.189
9 50% Lebanese_Christian +50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.328
10 50% Lebanese_Christian +50% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.508

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +25% Spanish_Valencia +25% Tuscan @ 4.400
2 50% Cyprian +25% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Tuscan @ 4.419
3 50% Cyprian +25% Greek +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.571
4 50% Cyprian +25% Greek +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.694
5 50% Cyprian +25% Spanish_Aragon +25% Tuscan @ 4.752
6 50% Cyprian +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Tuscan @ 4.762
7 50% Cyprian +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Tuscan @ 4.795
8 50% Cyprian +25% Greek +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.799
9 50% Cyprian +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Tuscan @ 4.804
10 50% Tuscan +25% Cyprian +25% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.817

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian + French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.366
2 Cyprian + French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.388
3 Cyprian + Cyprian + Spanish_Valencia + Tuscan @ 4.400
4 Cyprian + Cyprian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tuscan @ 4.419
5 Cyprian + Cyprian + Greek + Spanish_Aragon @ 4.571
6 Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + North_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.665
7 Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Aragon + Tuscan @ 4.692
8 Cyprian + Cyprian + Greek + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.694
9 Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + Southwest_French + Tuscan @ 4.724
10 Cyprian + Lebanese_Muslim + Spanish_Valencia + Tuscan @ 4.733
11 Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + Spanish_Valencia + Tuscan @ 4.743
12 Cyprian + Cyprian + Spanish_Aragon + Tuscan @ 4.752
13 Cyprian + Lebanese_Muslim + Spanish_Andalucia + Tuscan @ 4.754
14 Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + Spanish_Aragon + Tuscan @ 4.760
15 Cyprian + Cyprian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Tuscan @ 4.762
16 Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Andalucia + Tuscan @ 4.771
17 Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + North_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.793
18 Cyprian + Cyprian + Spanish_Murcia + Tuscan @ 4.795
19 Cyprian + Cyprian + Greek + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.799
20 Cyprian + Cyprian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Tuscan @ 4.804

HellLander87

11-25-2013, 12:48 AM

In every calculator you can find, Greeks are more Middle-Eastern / EastMed influenced than Northern inluenced, get your facts straight. Your "mainland" Greek fetishism makes you sound funny.

Being a greek i can tell you that median values for Greek population mean nothing.Greece has a lot of diverse subgroups.I know from dienekis' site that many people that test are part anatolian Greeks few are pure Mainland Greeks.The Anatolian descended people which are minority in comparison to mainland greeks are much more prone to take an ancestry test than other Greeks.They are searching for their "exotic"ancestry or to know where they really come from while most of the mainland population doesn't care much about genetic tests yet.So medians are far from represantive. they actually respresent none of the groups nor the true medians of the whole population as many groups are overrepresented in those.
Samples as mine with all ancestry from one mainland region are quite rare and when seen in the whole context with nearby native balkan peoples make sense.The geographic distances reflect fine the "genetic" ones and are in accordance with the history of the place.While the median results are out of place anywhere and do not match neither the history nor they fit into the regional cadre.

Sikeliot

11-25-2013, 12:57 AM

Being a greek i can tell you that median values for Greek population mean nothing.Greece has a lot of diverse subgroups.I know from dienekis' site that many people that test are part anatolian Greeks few are pure Mainland Greeks.The Anatolian descended people which are minority in comparison to mainland greeks
are much more prone to take a ancestry test than other Greeks.They are searching for their "exotic"ancestry or to know where they really come from while most of the mainland population doesn't care much about genetic tests yet.So medians are far from represantive. they actually respresent none of the groups nor the
true medians of the whole population as many groups are overrepresented in those.
Samples as mine with all ancestry from one mainland region are quite rare and when seen in the whole context with nearby native balkan peoples make sense.The geographic distances reflect fine the "genetic" ones and are in accordance with the history of the place.While the median results are out of place anywhere and do not match neither the history nor they fit into the regional cadre.

He won't care, he is simply intent on proving that Greeks are not European.

Behrouz

11-25-2013, 01:45 PM

He won't care, he is simply intent on proving that Greeks are not European.

Greeks are europeans, of course, but that doesnt mean genetically they are more northern than east med. Most of the Greek samples (if not all) in Dieneks, Eurogenes etc projects are mainland Greeks, whether you like it or not. Greeks are the swarthiest people in balkan peninsula, do you seriously expect them to cluster with Balkan slavs? They are closer to Sicilians and Ashkenazi Jews than to Serbs. Idk about Helllander but his results don't seem like average Greek to me. He is obviously mixed.

HellLander87

11-25-2013, 09:18 PM

Greeks are europeans, of course, but that doesnt mean genetically they are more northern than east med. Most of the Greek samples (if not all) in Dieneks, Eurogenes etc projects are mainland Greeks, whether you like it or not. Greeks are the swarthiest people in balkan peninsula, do you seriously expect them to cluster with Balkan slavs? They are closer to Sicilians and Ashkenazi Jews than to Serbs. Idk about Helllander but his results don't seem like average Greek to me. He is obviously mixed.
So the fact that my results are similar to next door albanians and in reasonable distance from a serbian doesn t tell you nothing.lol you have flushed logic down the toilet over there.
The way you imagine it ,is as if xerxes had conquered Greece built a wall at the north while the hordes were coming from the east.(I don't talk literally, I know you can't handle a metaphore hence the brackets)
Greek history wasn't like this.We were of the few to have it documented for thousands of years. Few Greeks ever came from Asia till 1920 while from the north barbarians were parading.Greece shared the history of its neighbours.Simple to deduce..
Most of the greeks that tested were of 1/2,1/4 etc mixed with minorasian Greeks.I hope you can handle fractions....
Dienekis has told by word that mainland greeks GO THE TUSCAN WAY! not sicilian.
You by judging my results "deduced" that I am mixed.I assure you I am not mixed.Conclusion,you are wrong.End of story.

iNird

12-06-2013, 04:29 PM

Population

SOUTH_BALTIC 11.88%
EAST_EURO 7.98%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 12.90%
ATLANTIC 12.51%
WEST_MED 17.23%
EAST_MED 22.74%
WEST_ASIAN 10.04%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 4.26%
EAST_ASIAN 0.46%

Albo from FYROM.

paksaltopam

12-25-2013, 10:36 AM

Only half Italian...From Trapani. Rest of me is German, Danish, Lithuanian, Lemko.
Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 13.28%
EAST_EURO 9.05%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 15.75%
ATLANTIC 18.11%
WEST_MED 13.29%
EAST_MED 17.46%
WEST_ASIAN 6.45%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 5.78%
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 0.44%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.39%

Drawing-slim

12-25-2013, 11:08 AM

27.57% EAST_MED
18.70% WEST_MED
15.15% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
13.11% ATLANTIC
9.41% WEST_ASIAN
8.04% SOUTH_BALTIC
5.30% EAST_EURO
2.16% MIDDLE_EASTERN
We have same amount of west Asian & west Mediterranean.

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 9.99%
EAST_EURO 3.79%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 15.83%
ATLANTIC 15.36%
WEST_MED 18.78%
EAST_MED 22.42%
WEST_ASIAN 9.77%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 4.05%